Treasons You May Leave (The Mueller Investigation Part 96)

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Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

Treasons to Postpone (The Mueller Investigation Part 78) (January 23, 2019)

Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79) (January 26, 2019)

Sweating Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 80) (January 30, 2019)

I'll Be Your Girl For All Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 81) (February 4, 2019)

House Cleaning Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 82) (February 9, 2019)

For Emergency Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 83) (February 15, 2019)

Treasons I Speak (The Mueller Investigation Part 84) (February 19, 2019)

Treasonable Preparations (The Mueller Investigation Part 85) (February 23, 2019)

Treasons for Redemption (The Mueller Investigation Part 86) (March 1, 2019)

Treasons to Watch (The Mueller Investigation Part 87) (March 7, 2019)

A Treasonable Amount of Time (The Mueller Investigation Part 88) (March 11, 2019)

Treasons I Have Veto Power (The Mueller Investigation Part 89) (March 18, 2019)

Treasons I've Submitted My Report (The Mueller Investigation Part 90) (March 22, 2019)

Treasons to Continue On (The Mueller Investigation Part 91) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons For a Barr Cover (The Mueller Investigation Part 92) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons to Protect Our Assets (The Mueller Investigation Part 93) (March 26, 2019)

Treasonable Interference (The Mueller Investigation Part 94) (March 31, 2019)

Tax Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 95) (April 6, 2019)

Treasons You May Leave (The Mueller Investigation Part 96) (April 11, 2019)

Thanks for these threads, OP. They help keep me sane.

Thanks OP

[quote]And now they are indicting Dems.

Don't fall for the spin on this one. He worked in the Clinton and Obama administrations but he is being indicted for work he did later in the private sector for, wait for it...Paul Manafort. Even when someone who worked for the Democrats for years gets indicted it is because he went and worked with the fucking crime syndicate known as the Repug party. Make sure anyone you talk to knows that because that's not how it's being talked about in the media. They keep just referring to him working for Obama and Clinton, as if he's being indicted about something he did during that time.

Does anyone foresee criminal trials regarding this Trump circus going on for years - 10 years? Would you be dedicated enough to keep track going forward? I think I will. One by one they'll go. The prospect of this keeps me going sometimes.

Correct, R6.

so the week isn't over yet and:

Barr has completely revealed his fat fuck self to be a real partisan hack on the level of Nunes and Jordan. If they were AG, they'd be acting the exact same way. Barr is trying to create distrust and uncertainty regarding the intentions of Democrats and our intelligence agencies to protect Trump.

Sessions is a piece of shit for his bigotry but damn he didn't throw the FBI under the bus. He even stated that the DOJ under him found Obama administration DID NOT wiretap Trump Tower.

Now we have Barr bringing up the debunked bullshit about the FISA courts and "spying"

Plus we have Mnuchin and the IRS defying Congress regarding handing over Trump's tax returns. What's next?

What can pop off by Friday night?

I was hoping we'd get some SDNY action but alas no.

[quote]I was hoping we'd get some SDNY action

What makes you think they aren't compromised, too?

I hope those goddam NY FBI pukes who started up "her emails" shit right before the election are getting the shit kicked out of them with no more tax deductions and the increase in domestic terrorism from the white trash pukes they kowtow to.

They deserve to be kicked in the dick every damned day for that shit.

Those fuckers need to burn. When are we going to see them get their perp walk?

Munchkin looks like Jeff Koons, whom I also loathe.

I’m trying to stay as cool as possible throughout this debacle. I keep reminding myself that this is the first time in two years that these pampered, entitled cunts have been called out for their egregious actions.

Bring them to the whipping post (Congress) often, and show them that their fuckery will not be tolerated.

Let’s get the report

Let the fist fighting begin for answers

Get Barr’s ass up on the hill to explain his sorry self

Get Mueller’s ass up on the hill to explain himself

Subpoena liberally

Fight in court

[quote]It was fun dressing up as women so we could get in the lifeboats and save our sorry asses.[/quote]

Hence that saucy historical saying, “only the Drag Queens survived.”

Assange arrested in London

Oh, and he looks like shit

It's seemingly all going to come to light this month isn't it? The DL psychic predicted April 23 as the day the Mueller report comes out. With assange getting arrested and Barr blatantly lying or trump to create a major distraction something is definitely coming down.

people are up in arms about the Assange arrest but the best part is that they are blaming Trump

Kicking and screaming

Barr doesn't really have standing on Nadler's request for the tax returns. That's just puffery. Neither does Mnuchin. It will likely go to the Supreme Court. There is no wiggle room. It's been precedent since 1924. It was applied to Nixon with good cause - he had to pay $500,000 back taxes. He's the reason Presidential candidates have released their federal tax returns for the last 40 years. Trump has not shed any light on his returns so there's no denying the need for oversight.

SCOTUS will either protect Trump or defend the rule of law and their decision will have lasting repercussions for American society for years to come. But they will have to cite law. The law says SHALL not MIGHT.

It's unbelievable the willingness to tear this country apart for a complete and total criminal piece of shit like Trump. What a hill to die on.

It's crazy r20 - I really need to know WHY DO THEY ALL KEEP COVERING FOR HIM? Even Barr's former colleagues are shocked at what he's doing.

Where did you read about Barr's colleagues?

Trump and all of his cronies just keep testing the rule of law - it doesn't mean they're winning, it just means that it's left to the opposition to act with decorum, civility and demonstrate the ultimate power of the law.

I look forward to watching Trump being led to from the WH to a paddy wagon on 20/01/21.

Barr has not been vetted as he should have been by the Media. Yes, we know he's a former AG. We know he's Mr. Iran Contra. We know he subscribes to an extreme view of the Presidency "the unitary executive" which allows a PResident almost dictatorial powers. But we don't know why, at this stage of his career, he'd leave a lucrative position in a private Law Firm to go to the WH to protect THIS President. This is not Bush or Reagan. This is Trump. The guy we keep reading about how much the Republicans in Congress hate behind closed doors. THis entire thing baffles me. I was of a mind a year ago, that Trump's behavior is so outrageous that at some point, after they got what they wanted they'd turn on him, and go with Pence. I never believed the Republican Party big shots would keep protecting him passed a certain point. But clearly Barr's main task is to protect the President. Why? Has anyone examined who the top clients are at his law firm? Has anyone examined his financials? I believe Graham, Grassley, and probably Giuliani are behind his appointment. They may talked him into it. But WHY?

I worry about Mueller. I hope he is staying well and safe. He is the key to all of this and if something should happen to him we are fucked. The Russians are filthy, ruthless people They would not think twice about threatening him in some way.

Trump only hires people who he can use or manipulate. Trump has something on Barr, just like Trump has something on Ms. Graham.

Barr is in place to protect the GOP. Trump is part of the GOP. They all have criminal activity to hide.

No, in Graham's case Lindsey saw a golden opportunity to be the top adviser to POTUS. He believes he is some Great Influencer and he runs to Trump every time there's a crisis, which is at least twice a week, to "advise him" on how to navigate it. Graham has never had so much access or influence before in his career. And now he is also Chair of Judiciary and he will make sure he leverages that.

I think Barr was given a big Cyprus bank account. Would not surprise me in the least if the CIA hasn't secretly asked a foreign IC agency to keep an eye on him.

Take messy Assange to jail. Ewww!

Hopefully, his cat will be given a new, caring home.

Something appears very fishy about Barr's behavior.

Maybe all his "spying" talk was a warning to the Intelligence Community for "Don't spy on me."

[quote] This is Trump. The guy we keep reading about how much the Republicans in Congress hate behind closed doors

Just maybe you listened too much to the anonymous sources whispering to CNN and MSNBC and forgot neither network was working an agenda more than am actual news operation.

I don't know why he would want to do this. He wasn't MAGA from the beginning. He didn't have a score to settle with Obama like Flynn. From all accounts, he seemed to be an old-timely republican in the Dick Cheney mold - evil but basically done with politics. He could have worked at his law firm and made more money but he most likely has more than enough money to do whatever he wants in retirement. From watching him, he seems to have quite an ego so my only idea is major $$$$ which would set up his family for generations or OLD WHITE MAN NEEDING RELEVANCE AND ATTENTION syndrome.

The House could file obstruction of justice charges against the AG and then subpoena the Mueller Report and all supporting evidence including Grand Jury Testimony as evidence/disclosure. Dems need to learn to play the game.

Barr's laying the groundwork for QAnon 2: the Clintons trying to label Trump as a traitor and crook as a Deep State false flag to distract from that child brothel being run out of the basement of that D. C. pizzeria that doesn't seem to have a basement because it's actually in the fourth dimension.

Rick Wilson nails it. This is brilliant and he 's pissed that the Democrats aren't more aggressive, which is what I've meant in my recent posts. Wilson says the should have been in court to get the Mueller report, and they need to stop looking at this as simply political and procedural. They need a sense of urgency!

I agree but I do think they need to give Barr the opportunity to release his version to them and once he has given them a multicolored document that is redacted beyond recognition, then it is time to go all barrels. Give him enough rope to hand himself. Also, I think his time needs to be about up on when this version is due. He said middle of April and I'd be calling for it on April 15th.

Did Reagan, Cheney, et al every go to jail for their crimes? Nope. Americans were tortured while they played their contra games and they got away with it.

Who does the DL predict will be the fall guy for this administration? Who will die for this puke?

Thank you, OP, for another great thread title. W&W for every one.

Yes, thank you OP. I still want to take you out for a drink despite the disgusting picture in the main post!

THis is an extremely enlightening and important read. We need to know how they are all fucking with our brain. Trump is getting all the attention. But he is not calling the shots. He is the lead actor center stage, but there is a broader much more sinister strategy being employed and we need to start paying attention.

The other thing I want to say is NO. We do not wait for the redacted report. Congress requested the unredacted report for a reason. They must insist on it and WTF they are not in court demanding it is mystifying to me. I want to know why they are not in court RIGHT fucking NOW. What or who is holding them back????? If Nadler is not up to this tell them to get another chair who is. I want to see aggressive action.

Mnuchin, one of the financial operatives of the 2008 meltdown and taxpayer bailouts of the big banks. Many folks lost their savings, while reckless CEOs received billions in bonuses.

Zero prosecutions.

I told Barr I must have any surveillance pics of Corter Paige not so dressed.

There were some prosecutions, but for the most part the laws on the books prevented a more vigorous prosecution of the perps from the 2008 crisis. That was the problem. They were unethical as hell. But a lot of what they did was not illegal. Eric Holder said many times he wanted very much to prosecute but was handicapped by the law.

^^^and every law that had been put in place since in order to prevent it from happening again has systematically been undone by Trump and the GOP.

So Trump has instructed DOJ to go after all his perceived enemies and and Barr is willingly taking those orders. Avenetti hit with new charges today. There is not an ounce of integrity in any of these "public servants." Thank God I got out of the Federal Government in the Bush era.

I don't think Barr is being blackmailed etc. He volunteered that memo against the investigation as an "audition" - he actively sought Trump's attention.

I think he's on a power trip and wants to be the Grey Cardinal behind Trump.

PLEASE let this be true.

I'm very dismayed reading twitter. Whenever a big event happens I like to see the top 50 or so responses. From what I read when I typed on #Assange (which is trending obviously), most of them are AGAINST his arrest! it's a mix of right winger Americans and then Europeans! The Europeans are praising him for the stuff he revealed about the Bush years. The right wingers aren't saying it out loud but obviously they're happy he worked with Putin and Trump in 2016.

WTF. Very few responses made it to the top 50 replies that were in favor of his arrest.

I don't understand how the Europeans aren't upset that he was working with Putin. Unless the bots made sure pro-Assange comments were in the top 50 we first see when we click his name.

Even Ron Paul (Rand Paul's father) is against the arrest

It's bots and trolls, r50.

They've taken over the site.

Well, even the ACLU seems upset over the US's plans to charge him.

Well according to Barbara McQuade who I absolutely respect, she said the DoJ was very smart about the charges. They indicted him for hacking, so t hey avoid all the bullshit about free speech, etc. Good. So that disarms a lot of his defenders. And he was smearing feces on the walls of the embassy! I'd arrest him for that alone. Gross sick little fucker.

Did you guys hear about that fat, closeted drunk Rep. Matt Gaetz filing a bill called the “PENCIL Act”? Preventing Extreme Negligence with Classified Information Licenses Act designed to force the removal of Adam Schiff (and clearly invoking Trump’s “pencil-neck” taunt). I’m surprised that cunt could put the bottle down long enough to file this.

R51 the bots may have bumped up the likes and replies but most of the top 50 I read were from real people with blue check marks in Europe and US. Not sure why so many in Europe are crying about freedom of press. What about freedom from Putin?

So now they think they can pass bills and retroactively go after people with it?

Gaetz really needs his ass kicked and I'm not even a violent person. It's infuriating a brat who was arrested multiple times for DUIs and bailed out by his daddy is now able to act like a clown in our government

You ain't seen nothing yet. The "exoneration" Barr put out here they're riding the wave. They're overreaching but no one is stopping them. So get ready for more prosecutions more investigations more blacklisting, more personal attacks. Just pray this regime doesn't get re elected, because this is the beginning and it will definitely get worse and we will be living with a repressive, fascist government. A fucking Police State. No exageration.

[quote]and every law that had been put in place since in order to prevent it from happening again has systematically been undone by Trump and the GOP.

So laws can be made and rescinded?

And that’s the way it goes?

Every time the party majority switches up, the law changes back?

So how can we move forward as a nation which provides its citizens an opportunity to strive for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness if we’re constantly taking one step forward/two steps back?

We have to not count on laws to protect that unalienable right, but rather make them constitutional amendments - have I got that right?

And that would require a constitutional convention - something we absolutely DO NOT WANT to happen with a GOP majority in the senate.

Just hoping the pendulum swings democratic, and then dems doing good stuff while in control is absolutely not enough.

Besides the good stuff they have to amend the constitution for the inevitable time pirates such as the GOP win a future election.

Have I got this right?

R59, no, going near the Constitution is a bad idea — it’s something the right wing pushes, which should tell you something. It’s better to have your judges on the Supreme Court. And to do that, you need to win elections, and keep on winning them.

I ask this in all honesty: What do the GOP want? Would they go so far as to try and put people in concentration camps? They’re practically already building them. Do they really want a U.S. that resembles Gilead in “The Handmaid’s Tale” where people have no rights or freedoms and “others” are all under the control of white men? I mean, there is something just so pathologically sick about the entire party at this point. They are horrifying and have dropped all pretense that they care what people think. Public opinion used to mean something but when you have Russia fixing the vote totals, why even bother to care about voters’ needs/desires?

No, it depends on how laws are written. If a law is written well, and there are safeguards then it can stand the test of time and challenges. For example you can make sure the law stays in the books for ten or 15 or 20 years before it comes up for re-authorization. You know for years both Medicare and Social Security were under attack. From the moment they were put into effect. But they're still around. I hope we do take a path toward a more progressive socialist leaning government. When I look at how well things work in Europe for the most part, I think we could be a real model. And Canada too.

R22 one of the older pundits on morning joe was sharing that info.

Barr adjusts his glasses each time he's not being truthful. He did it dozens of times during hearings.

R61, they want a theocracy. That's the goal. Kavanaugh and Barr and others are members of the federalist society. They are dominionists. They believe they are ordained by god to rule over us. They allied with Russia because after communism fell, Putin and the nationalists took over in Russia.

Gonna watch for that now r64.

Reportedly, Assange's hygiene was piss poor, and he exhibited filthy behaviors. No sympathy for the Equador embassy, they chose to accommodate him.

^Ecuador

Why did ecuador get involved with assange in the first place?

Tell it Susanne

you know right wing media and repubs in Congress/Trump will be calling "for a full investigation of the Obama administration" now that Greg Craig has been indicted

R71: Trump would LOVE to indict Obama...

Somebody's trying for info. Leaks to NYT.

R72 yes but what he's going to love is the opportunity to make it seem like "I'm totally clean BUT Obama! Look over there!" that's the shit he and his supporters are going to start doing

Just when we thought things couldn't have gotten worse, they will.

You'll be seeing Fox making new conspiracy theories and rehashing old, debunked ones screaming why aren't Obama, Hillary, Lynch, Rice, Holder and Comey in jail

So Trump's judge sister is also a family fixer?

r57.....and dont forget THE DEAD ROOMMATE.....Why does everyone forget about the dead boyfr..., er dead roommate ? The one that was being investigated as a homicide until daddy got involved and it changed to suicide....just like daddy fixing all the DUIs.

This thread by Seth Abramson raises a very valid point....and it makes one wonder, WHY EXACTLY DID THE PLAYERS IN TRUMP/RUSSIA GET SWEETHEART DEALS ?

I think Mueller kept giving them lenient deals because he wanted them to be as cooperative as possible.

I agree however, it's all pointless if nothing happens to the "biggest fish" which are Trump, Pence, Don Jr and Jared.

We know the other factor in weighing sentences is to discourage that behavior again. I don't know how effective that is

So this one is a wash. We lose Manchin's seat and gain Susan Collins' seat. They deserve each other. Neither one has an ounce of backbone.

Manchin is a DINO...always has been.

I think Sen. Manchin’s calculations are worth it. He’s there for the Democrats when his vote counts (saving healthcare), throws a bone to his electorate when it doesn’t (Kavanaugh), and he won in a Trump +40 state. I don’t think we could do better in WV than him.

Collins occupies a winnable seat, on the other hand.

Ok, R81 I accept your analysis. We need to win the senate to stop McConnell.

Manchin's seat is needed by Democrats to take control of the Senate, and for Democrats to control committees. With Trump carrying WV by the greatest margin compared to other states, he walks a fine line in not alienating the state's Democratic base, while not generating vigorous opposition from Republicans.

Manchin's and Collins are friends, and both do the "concern" acts for political posturing and getting courted from both sides

Manchin's got re-elected last year. Collins is the one whose vulnerable seat is in play. Supporting Kavanaugh will hurt her among other things. A good Democratic candidate can take that seat

Susan Collins is a DYKE.

No, Manchins decision allows him to be reelected in wacky WV and Collins will be replaced.

It is good.

So confused. Does Glenn Greenwald still support Chelsea Manning. Because Greenwald is against MSNBC's RussiaGate...

Considering what we know about Barr now, it is completely in his character that he forced Mueller to wrap up and Mueller still had outstanding work to do.

R87 .

I totally agree, r87.

I also think this "spy" nonsense is an attempt to create a clean slate of sorts. Barr knows there is some serious shit in Mueller’s report (regarding dark money and the GOP maybe) and he also knows it’s going to come out. And so he’s going to find some random Democrat to tar and feather just so he and his cronies can shrug and say both sides are "equally guilty" and thus neutralize the scandal.

Or so he hopes. But this both siderism crap will NOT stand.

On Barr.....

Why do you think Barr DID audition so hard to become Trump's AG, r48? Someone has kompromat on HIM. That someone made sure Trump would not be able to resist nominating such a kissass to be Trump's AG. That put Barr in the catbird seat of being able to shitcan the Mueller investigation and protect everyone who Mueller was on the way to indicting - everyone whose palms had been crossed with Russian, Israeli, Saudi, Chinese, etc., etc., money.

Whatever happened to Reality Winner?

my fear is that Barr will launch a second special counsel to probe into the origins of the investigation into the Trump campaign. Most likely there wouldn't be anything chargeable but it would further help Trump/Fox "News" narrative that "the real story" is the "deep state conspiring to take down Trump". Then when nothing was found, they would say "oh a coverup!"

so this thing we keep hoping for, that the truth will emerge and be accepted by all IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. It's only going to get worse with Barr as AG.

By the time 2020 November comes we'll be even more divided than ever.

[quote]Whatever happened to Reality Winner?

Five years in Federal prison. A clear message to anybody leaking classified info.

R92, Last I heard she was in solitary and being denied a specialized diet. Her mother has been distraught and telling people they're trying to kill her.

Yeah, great message to keep whistleblowers quiet so they can continue to cheat, lie and steal with impunity.

Did anyone see Bannon say today that if Pres Bone Spurs is reelected, he will be in pay-back mode? As if he isn't doing that already. Well, you know, he turns on everyone eventually so the GOP better be careful what they wish for with him. He could spectacularly turn on them.

R91, that doesn't make sense to me. If someone had something on Barr, why would they need him to "audition," to become AG? If he was put in to help Dotard, there's no need for him to audition for him. He'd just be put in.

Do we think Barr is just going to give Assange a pass?

[quote]That put Barr in the catbird seat of being able to shitcan the Mueller investigation

Hey - that used to be my stripper name!

“Please welcome back to the stage Catbird Shitcan...”

The house needs to open their own “spygate” inquiry to parallel Barr’s. Do so publicly and with great fanfare. Swear in everyone and loudly proclaim party status for each and every republican they interview. Keep Barr honest and embarrass him as much as possible. Republicans caused this, they promoted it, they investigated it and they wrote the final report. Let them own the whole thing

Oh and messaging - we need to call it “the Republican spygate scandal” and always say that it was started by republicans in response to republican criminal behavior

Barr was approached probably by Graham or giuliani or someone else, to be a member of Trump's personal defense team. He turned them down. But he wrote a 19 page brief on why he thought the whole Mueller thing was outrageous and why Trump could never be charged with obstruction. They considered that as his"audition" to be AG.

Maybe it's as simple as his Republican cronies in the Senate being in a position to steer business to his firm. Maybe it was about helping his daughter and son in law expand their circle of lucrative connections for future use.Maybe it was because he is a rigid extremist when it comes to PResidential powers and he is part of the coven.

...OR....he could be a staunch GOP operative who "auditioned" for the role by showing Trump exactly what he would do to protect him. Look at Iran-Contra...every one of them belonged in prison, but they all walked.

Exactly, R103, that's what I meant when I said he was part of the coven. LOL!

That reminds me....what ever happened with that Peter Smith case ?....I could have swore I saw something many months ago that Mueller was looking at that. I know the death was suspicious...how many people leave a suicide note that says "there is nothing suspicious about my death"...and leaves a trail tying himself to an LLC to hide his actions from campaign finance eyes...whose officers included Flynn, Bannon, Conway, and Clovis...all in order to obtain emails.

These people are really fucking sick.

Where are the evangelical churches? Oh right, they don't care about people who are LIVING except themselves, that is.

We shouldn't call many people stupid but how in the fuck can someone go to a church where the pastor or whatever, is filthy rich? What the actual fuck? Are they that fucking dense? That is some evil shit, using God's money to enrich yourself. But people FLOCK to them.

The trolls have invaded threads about candidates, now. They throw out the stupidest reasons this or that person can't or won't win, how they are boring or bitchy or will fizzle out or can't beat Pres Bone Spurs or they are too old, young, gay, black, white it is comical. The shithole Russians so need us to fight and be demoralized *our* fave didn't get the nomination or cut down our fave before they get going.

Yawn. The Russians are not very bright.

Somewhat unrelated, but i think it should be noted....they are questioning why the NYDA at the time of sentencing, recommended that Jeffrey Epstein only was required the minimum sex registration...and the DA actually argued it was too harsh. That DA was Cyrus Vance, Jr....the same DA that decided not to prosecute Ivanka and Junior AFTER Trump made a "donation" ala Pam Bondi and Trump University. The same DA that has inherited several of the Trump cases. Just sayin....

R109 Yeah, bothers me too. Is Cyrus any relation to Joyce Vance?, (it would be her husband).

At the end of the day we will win. It is clear now things will get really bad before they get better. We are going to the edge, it appears, unless some hero springs forth suddenly and stops this shitshow in its tracks.

But we will win. They don't have the numbers on their side. We do. Don't count on the SC, or other judges, or billionaires, or the media. It will be the every day person who tips this in our favor. It sucks but at least we have an entire, reenergized Democratic party full of all ages, races, sexualites, ideologies, generations, experience. They have none of that. None. The Dems truly represent the entire country. They represent farmvilles in the middle and backward hellholes in the extreme south. They are losing their grip on places like TX, GA and even KS. FUCK them to hell.

They think they've put things in place to safeguard themselves but the tipping point for the citizens is coming. Capitalism has become too greedy to help the average person. People are turning to drugs more often. However, I do think they will wake up soon and see the GOP has fucked them openly at every turn. The GOP will overreach badly (my guess on SS and Medicare) and all hell will break loose on them. There won't be a fucking gerrymandered district safe enough for these evil black souls when we reach that tipping point.

Perhaps on those Mar-A-Largo Friday & Saturday nights, Trump has been hanging out a bit too much with Miss Lindzey.

So apparently the law is if Trump's taxes are not handed over as requested by Congress, someone gets arrested. My question is, who would be the one arresting? FBI? Could Barr just give an order not to arrest and let the law be ignored? I hope not

[quote]Could Barr just give an order not to arrest and let the law be ignored? I hope not

Could Barr then be charged with Obstruction of Justice?

All these assholes who predicted Barr was "one of the good guys", even very reasonable people said this, must completely say they were owned. None of us trusted this asshole and posted plenty of evidence why we didn't. The rules with the GOP and conservatives now are there are no rules. All the sane ones jumped ship. Anyone left should be looked at with suspicion and derision.

R99:

"Mammaries....

Fucking HUGE in the Moonlight..."

Former Southern CA prosecutor said on Brian Williams that she expected up to 60% of the Mueller Report to be redacted.

I don't have a twitter account but I was reading Lawrence tribe. He posted how disappointed he was in Barr, a good man he once worked with. A poster replied yes, how could you know the guy who covered up Iran contra was capable of evil.

About sums it up. Lawyers and institutional people had faith in the institutions. The rest of us took one look and said, nope.

I did read the Dems had hired excellent lawyers to help them with the investigations. I wonder what happened to that legal brain trust.

Congress can ask federal marshals to arrest the offender or maybe even the capitol police. These people are lawless. They will refuse in your face. They have absolute contempt for the Law and for Congress.

I have to wonder if they don't get so caught up in endless investigations, and finer points of law, they have no sense of urgency. They keep looking at this as political games, and they have faith in the process they understand, but the people they are dealing with do not give a fuck. They have a different agenda. Congress needs to act. I'd have arrested Mnuchin the day he showed up for his hearing.

r110....NO....fortunately.

Cyrus Vance Jr. is son of Jimmy Carter's Secretary of State. The family is democratic establishment as you can get. Major counselors and fixers.

....and Cyrus Vance Junior is corrupt.

Why can't it be Joyce Vance instead.... or Bob Vance of Vance Refrgeration, and his lovely wife, Phyllis.

The more they redact the report, the worse it will be for them. Polls show that a big majority want to see the report unredacted. They're going to be wondering what was redacted, and why. With no explanation forthcoming from the administration, people's imaginations will fill those gaps.

This will be Trump's undoing, mark my words.

I am sure Republicans are betting on Lori Laughlin and Felicity Huffman, going to prison for their crimes, will satisfy those screaming for a more justice in America.

Lori Laughlin and Felicity Huffman may get more time in jail than Mike Flynn. That doesn't seem right.

Trump will resign in the near future. They are holding back an indictment on Junior to hold it over his head and push him out the door. It's the reason for his uptick in insanity lately. He knows the end is near and he's acting out on an unimaginable level. Barr has no doubt already explained to him that he can only hold off on the indictments for just so long. He can only hold off on the House Democrats seeing both him taxes and the Mueller report for so long. Mnuchin may be a bit of an idiot, but even he's not going to risk going to jail for Trump.

When Trump leaves, he will feel seriously ill-used by the Republicans. He'll take what's left of his three brain cells and start a media empire and take his trashy base with him, letting one of his offspring run for president just to split the GOP vote and destroy them for a decade or so. He is the most petty, vindictive man on earth.

[quote]Is Cyrus any relation to Joyce Vance?, (it would be her husband).

Joyce is married to Bob Vance, a circuit court judge in Alabama.

And she appreciates The Office jokes!

Joyce Vance, Barbara McQuade, and Jill Wine-Banks have been excellent legal commentators throughout this DJT-Russher mess

R128 this makes sense to me, but it’s such a welcome scenario (as opposed to other scenarios) that I wonder if it’s wishful thinking on my part. But Something seems way off with regard to Barr and the rest of these cretins. I know they’re playing the long game of protecting the Republican Party, but I go back and forth as to whether they think protecting Dump is part of that strategy.

R130 Love all three - especially Jill Wine-Banks and her BIG pins. They're coded as to what she is feeling that day:)

I love Danny Cavales (sp?).

David Cay Johnson explains the law requiring IRS to turn over the tax returns in the Daily Beast today:

Donald Trump and his top White House aide declare that the administration will not give the president's tax returns to Congress, as required under a 1924 anti-corruption law. But both the Treasury secretary and the tax commissioner have been much more nuanced, saying that they will obey the law even as they delay actually doing so.

I know why Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and Charles Rettig, the IRS commissioner, are so cautious. They don’t want to be removed from office and sent to prison for five years just for doing Trump’s bidding. The reason will no doubt surprise those who think Trump can thumb his nose at the law governing congressional access to anyone’s tax returns, including his. It will for sure shock Trump, who claims that "the law is 100 percent on my side."

The exact opposite is true.

Under Section 6103 of our tax code, Treasury officials “shall” turn over the tax returns “upon written request” of the chair of either congressional tax committee or the federal employee who runs Congress's Joint Committee on Taxation. No request has ever been refused, a host of former congressional tax aides tell me.

There is, however, a law requiring every federal “employee” who touches the tax system to do their duty or be removed from office. The crystal-clear language of this law applies to Trump, acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, Mnuchin and Rettig, federal employees all.

The law says all of them "shall" be removed from office if they fail to comply with the request from Representative Richard Neal, the Massachusetts Democrat who chairs the House Ways and Means Committee. There are no qualifiers in Section 6103 that shield Trump from delivering, in confidence, his tax returns to Congress. No wiggle room at all.

I marvel at the disconnect between the white supremacist republican party and what I see around me in daily life. I live in a very blue region and every day I see liberals (the majority), and more than a few conservatives, the LGBT community, races and religions, atheists and Buddhist, Jews, Catholics Protestants, and Muslims, going about their business in work and play. Low crime rates, civility, creativity, joy, amazing food from many cultures, and a deep concern for people overall. An appreciation for the environment and active protection of it, avid interest in politics and strong actions to protect democracy. Every day. There are problems, of course. Housing is very expensive and we have our share of the homeless. Why? People move here from all over the US and the world.

What fucking world do those sick republican fucks live in that can be better than this? We must defeat them and recreate this country into place that makes room for everyone, as long as we can live peacefully and respectfully together. An autocratic theocracy is never an answer. Of course we need reasonable immigration polices, not the horror show trump has made worse at the border with his cruelty and hatred. Who are we as a nation if we can't do that? A shit hole, for sure.

R135: "Divide..and Conquer." Tale as old as time. The bad people don't want usto get along It's so much easier to exploit us and gain power if they can weaken us through division lies and fear. Very basic. When ever you see people behaving as what you posted, remember that they cannot win if we stick together.

I think this was a really bad week for Mnuchin, and when the facts of the law laid out by R134 are made crystal clear to him, perhaps he'll just throw in the towel and quit. I would.

The whole idea is just to delay as long as possible with these guys. Everyone is expendable at this point, don't think that Mnuchin doesn't know it. As does Barr I suspect.

Donald Trump is a sociopath. If someone threatens him with his son getting indicted he will tell someone to kill his son and make it look like suicide, so he can use it as an excuse to claim that his son was bullied by the Fake News Media and the Deep State and now as grieving father he will go after them.

Mnuchin was thinking about leaving a while ago then changed his mind. He's a real asshole who loves the perks andthe access he has to international big shots.

The trolls cannot win if you don't let them push your buttons. The conservatives cannot win if nobody buys their hate and fear mongering bullshit. They deliberately create a problem and present a scapegoat for their followers to blame and insist that others should follow suit as well, or they are as guilty as the scapegoats.

Coming soon to a sanctuary city near you....

CNBC: Trump 'giving strong considerations' to releasing ICE detainees 'in sanctuary cities only'

Releasing detainees...won't that piss off the racist base?

interesting the NW Detention Center in Tacoma, south of Seattle, is owned by GEO corp.

They can release detainees into Seattle rather than do their job to house them until court cases are complete I guess. But GEO has a contract with the city of Tacoma that guarantees 90% occupancy of bed in the detention center. GEO would still be paid but at a lower rate due to empty beds.

So he will break what is left of the immigration system to punish blue states.

Blue state economies power this country. Our economies will take a hit which will ripple out through the country.

And the private prison stocks wil nose dive.

Great business man.

Trump is such a vindictive little bitch.

Rick Wilson's schtick is old. He rants and raves about the lunatic President and his enablers, who are at the head of his own party.

Then he rants and raves at the Democrats for not doing enough to stop the leaders of his own party.

He would be a lot more believable if he turned his ire on the GOP, or joined / led in the Democratic efforts that he says he wants.

He stands on the sidelines throwing rocks at everyone, then hides under the GOP's wing for the paycheck and safety.

R144, they're not going to stay where they are released. They will migrate to where the agricultural jobs are, California, the South, and the Midwest.

Trump wants to create chaos. He thinks by releasing all the detained immigrants into sanctuary cities that there will be massive crime and used up space/money. He wants to turn more people against immigrants by doing this while punishing Democrats/Democratic strongholds.

Rick Wilson is also ugly.

USA Today: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuary cities

Reuters: U.S. political consultant avoids prison time in case linked to Russia probe

R147 they have no papers and are in legal limbo. These are not economic migrants, they are asylum seekers. If you recall, agricultural products rotted in the fields of Ca because ice scooped up workers.

Your idea that asylum seekers will somehow do agricultural jobs the trump administration will not allow migrant agricultural workers to do is ridiculous.

And yes, Rick Wilson is a moron. If people, this far into trump land call themselves republicans, they are not allies.

11-year-old ordered deported without her family.

I just hope the experts saying Mnuchin and the IRS head have to comply with handing over Trump's taxes are right. My fear is the law simply won't be enforced.

The repubs have shown they play as dirty as they have to when the law and customs don't suit them

r135, it is the planet of RICH white people.

[quote]Your idea that asylum seekers will somehow do agricultural jobs the trump administration will not allow migrant agricultural workers to do is ridiculous.

You're completely wrong. Of course if they just release people into the streets those people are going to go where the jobs are that they can do to survive. They aren't going to just huddle in the alleys in Seattle and San Francisco. The rich Repug owners of the huge agricultural companies need people, right now, to pick their crops for almost no pay. It's the new Repug slavery. Do you really think that they are going to release them and then go gather a bunch of them up to be right back to where they started? They lost too much money when those crops, mostly in the South, rotted in the fields. The Repugs aren't going to let their rich corporate friends take that loss again.

This whole situation at the border is scary as fuck. We can’t take in everyone. The amount of homeless I see in my city is overwhelming. I have a parent who is 86 I am helping. Where do all these people go and how will they make a living?

Trump created the panic at the border and now everyone wants to cross because he is threatening to close it. Today he is sending more troops. 5000 unaccompanied minors. How do we as taxpayers pay for this?

R158 Exactly, by announcing he's building a wall or closing the border, he's just agitating for people to rush to get in.

No, it’s actually not, R157.

I LIVE in a border town and I’ve never been scared or feared for my life. Many churches and centers are providing for the people that they can provide for.

I feel for these people but if all of Central America comes knocking on our door how do we survive?

R161 are you a troll?

R162 no.

CNN: Redacted report could be released publicly at any moment.

The Trump administration lies and exaggerates so much, how do we know what the actual number of immigrants coming across our borders really are? I do not take Trump at his word that it's literally thousands pouring in.

R161 by staying true to American values and processing them according to our immigration laws. A big step would be to fill judgeships for immigration hearings.

Next, get busy demonstrating to those immigrants why their choice to apply for asylum here was the right thing to do--show mercy and compassion while shepherding them into citizenship, education, employment and paying taxes to the government in which they have found solace.

Next, have a rational discussion with younger, forward-thinkers as to where those people are needed most for work, for seeding populations in dying cities, military service, etc. There are many lessons to be learned from the Great Depression about moving people and populations, re-imagining land and building usage, placement of government resources...

Next, demand that our elected leaders understand diplomacy and the value of positive partnerships with those countries to give alternatives to drug cartels, military support and begin exporting the American Dream as we did following WW2.

Problem is, the racists, deconstructionists and white supremacists have degraded culture and civility so that their members do not want the America we grew up in--flawed and imperfect but at least moving toward justice for all. It has become clear that they see justice, money and power as reasonable for only white people. We will either stamp this out now or our country's changing demographics will stamp this out in the future.

But it will be stamped out and our culture will rightsize. Have faith. In the mean time, if you have the means to help then send money, protest or wring your hands elsewhere. We have work to do here.

[quote]Of course if they just release people into the streets those people are going to go where the jobs are that they can do to survive.

Will this finally get us the taco truck on every corner Trump promised us? (He meant it as a threat but I thought it sounded delightful.)

Nicole Wallace had Donny Deutsch on today. He read all the Characteristics of a sociopath and of course, Trump fits them all. He said we need to stop analyzing it and start being very afraid because Trump will stop at nothing. It was a great segment.

Does anybody else think that Stephen Miller is a self-hating, closeted homosexual? Seems so obvious.

I saw it, r168. Never thought I'd see the day when I'd consider a former Bushie must-see TV, but Nicole Wallace is the only MSNBC host whose show I unfailingly watch. She was downright eloquent today in her introduction to Al Sharpton. Her articulate loathing of Trump and his minions, and her ability to frame it so as to inform and educate viewers, are things of beauty. Her guests are also great.

[quote]Does anybody else think that Stephen Miller is a self-hating, closeted homosexual?

I'm more inclined to buy this perspective, courtesy of Rick Wilson:

This morning as Stephen Miller anointed himself in the tears of immigrant children, he stared into the mirror, smiled, and whispered, "You're next, Jared. Mark my words...you're next."

The camera pulls back and we see a room in which every wall is covered in pictures of Ivanka.

Donny Deutsch also just really praised Pete B.( can't remember how to spell his last name) I also think Pete B is a real stateman and would be a great president and I am a straight woman so its not because I'm gay.

I await Stephen Miller's vengeance once he realises Trump would never let him have Ivanka.

Stupid Stephen. It's not Jared keeping you from the world's greatest courtesan. You can't afford her gilded snatch, those jewel encrusted tits, that porcelain ass. Just give it up. You may have been able to scam your way there as a fake Saudi, but we know that's out of the question.

R170 I, too, really like Nicole Wallace and I'm about as liberal as it gets. She seems smart and has a great perspective from being in the Bush White House. She also has smart guests which she engages and gets really interesting discussions going.

R166, Trump is really stupid because he could use the immigrant crisis to pack the courts with the most immigrant hating young judges he could possibly find, getting them to refuse every application for decades into the future. Then they could quietly send them all back and it would be going through the system, so it would be very hard to reverse if not impossible.

Instead there aren’t enough judges at all, so there’s a backlog.

I also admire the fact that Nicole seemed totally disgusted by Steve Schmidt's deal with the devil (aka Howard Schultz) --- she clearly seems to get how important it is to go full charge against Trump. I'm guessing she truly understands what the whole Palin debacle cost us as a country

Here here, R166, excellent post.

I have only one more thing to add: train them in healthcare and counseling for opiate addiction, send them forward, once they gain citizenship, into the red states and counties to help.

We are here for each other. Let everyone benefit.

R177 Nicole can't stand Palin. She was the one who tried to educate Palin. At the end she walked away and said "don't ever put me in the room with her again" It was in the movie Game Change.

Well, maybe Cindy still appreciates Lindsey for keeping the now late John preoccupied so she didn't have to do so.

"Lindsey was like a son to John." My goodness.

Trump has trashed Republicans that have not agreed with him, and his party brethern think it's fine, even if they are family and friends of those trashed, living or deceased. That's quite cultish behavior.

R180. Dear Cindy, when I would call John ‘Daddy’ it was not because I was like a son to him.

That pic in R180 shows a lot about the little ghoul. That is the face of an alcoholic.

Let him release the asylum seekers to sanctuary cities. They will be supported by groups like Lutheran Immigration and Refugee services while their cases are heard and as they get settled. LIRS will redirect their economic activity to where the asylum seekers are. Then the immigrants will stay in those areas and create jobs at a higher rate and commit crimes at a lower rate than the native born.

Why are we not talking about the report that Pres Bone Spurs dangled a pardon to the Border Chief if he violated law?

Yes lets talk about that r184

Yes, so now we have entered, "Please, break the law all you want. I will pardon you" territory. I said in my rant upthread we will win this but we will be taken to the edge. Well, the distance from where we are to that edge just took a huge leap forward.

It seems like this is happening fast. Like, the slide into dictatorship will be swift all of a sudden after a steady falling.

I will never forgive conservatives for letting this happen. Ever. I will never trust a conservative again. Fingers crossed no one ever buys the bullshit "Conservatives are for the rule of law, the Constitution, blah blah blah" every again. They were never for those things. A few true believers got suckered into it but the vast majority of conservatives are just black souls.

The "let's dump the asylum seekers in sanctuary cities, heh heh" is classic Klan think.

R188 you are so right... their sounds are evil. They rail about abortion but don’t give a shit about children. They scream equal opportunity but they know capitalism creates inequality. I’m so sick of thIs.

^ they are so evil...

I REALLY, really don't get it. If Trump was Really this Evil and Whack all along about immigrants, why the Fuck didn't he have his stooges in the Republican party pass all the anti-immigration legislation while they had both houses?? Boggles the mind.

R168 "Nicole Wallace had Donny Deutsch on today. He read all the Characteristics of a sociopath and of course, Trump fits them all. He said we need to stop analyzing it and start being very afraid because Trump will stop at nothing. It was a great segment."

A DL'er poster listed those same characteristics on one of these threads months ago. We are way ahead of Deutsch and MSNBC!!

Yes, I know R193 but not that many people read DL whereas a lot of people watch Nicole. The message needs to get out and driven home.

I always suspected Donnie Deutsch posts here.

R188 gets it. If anyone ever actually listened to what republicans/conservatives habe said, and read between the lines, they'd know what's happening now was always the goal. Americans aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. They can only see what's on the surface. They saw someone with Americans flags all over their front yard and car and think "wow they really love this country". No, dumby. They love WHAT THEY LOVE about this country and what it does to strictly benefit them and restrict others. Now I know this is a general statement but we all know these people. The only freedom they believed in was their own. This has been creeping up on us for a while now. Social media then gave them the loid voice they've been craving. Mix that with faux news & reality TV and bam. Here we are.

Trump offers an alternative to the Deep State, the Stupid State! Only the Stupid State can make Deplorables feel great again!

The good news about Trump dangling a pardon in exchange for breaking the law is that this stuff is still leaking. That means he hasn't got the loyalty he's always looking for.

[quote]I feel for these people but if all of Central America comes knocking on our door how do we survive?

Cling as tight as you can to your Jeanine Pirro doll and whisper "illegal immigrants aren't refugees" three times into her left ear. She'll give you the answer.

Dangling a pardon for breaking the law seems to me to be: Obstruction of justice, Abuse of Power and failure to uphold the constitution (laws of the land). That should be impeachable all by itself. It certainly would have applied to Clinton or Obama.

R156, you are an idiot. The link is from 2017, and now with e verify, it's getting even harder to find agricultural workers.

Again, asylum seekers are not agricultural workers and they do not have legal standing to work.

[quote]It certainly would have applied to Clinton or Obama.

Yes, but they’re Democrats. Obstruction doesn’t apply to Republicans. I wrote a 19 page memo on the subject!

R201, it cute that you think they'd be hired legally.

This is e verify, you fuck wit. If you don't have legal standing to work, you will not be hired.

At least Mitch is trying to broaden his appeal and constituency and look more likeable. Give him some credit for trying.

Oh, wait, you think people have been working in the US illegally?

Nope. And agricultural firms may be able to hire a couple of people off the books, but no, baby, not the volume of workers they need.

Did anyone see Ken Starr yucking it up on Laura Ingraham's show? No, I did not watch it they played a clip on Chris Hayes' show.

Not surprised by the piece of shit partisan hack. Imagine what his liberal equivalent would have done to this piece of shit president? Still, I cannot imagine Mueller ending up on FNC one day yucking it up like Starr. And Starr only got lying about a BJ. Nothing on Whitewater or any of the other shit he investigated.

Trump has always hired illegal and then treated them like shit. Now he is bitching and moaning. Trump is a complete piece of sewage and he gets worse as he ages. No one can be more cruel or evil. We should all know that by now.

Republicunt trolls have obviously not heard about the temp visas regularly given to agricultural workers from both Mexico and the Caribbean. It's not even remotely stimulating to discuss anything with people so ignorant.

You morons arguing that there are no illegal workers hired in the ag industry (and many other industries) need to educate yourselves.

What a fucking moron you are, R210. Of course we know about the farmers and Big Ag assholes who circumvent the law by hiring illegals. We also know they are supposed to apply for visas for restricted numbers of temporary, seasonal workers the legal way.

NOW, tell me about the people performing these illegal acts? Just where are they in this country and why do you think they get away with it? Nunes knows.

Are you fucking retarded, R211? The idiots are arguing that releasing the asylum seekers into sanctuary cities like the orange turd wants to do won't lead to those asylum seekers trying to find work in those industries that will hire them without papers, namely Big Ag and rich people hiring them to watch their kids and clean their houses and work in their restaurants.

who else wants to bet that the redacted Mueller report we see will only show the evidence that does not incriminate Trump? Remember it was reported Mueller broke down both sides pro and con for whether Trump is guilty or not. It wouldn't shock me 1 bit if Barr redacted all the suspicious behavior so that his "no collusion, no obstruction" summary still stands

The entire document will be blacked except the following:

No █████ █████ ███ conspiracy.

R212, you be the fool, fool. If they're being released, they are no longer illegal, or to do so would be an illegal act....perpetrated by your fucked up leader. Carry on, stupid.

Incitement

1. Ok, asylum seekers are not illegal R215. Detention is civil holding until their cases are vetted and adjudicated.

2. Asylum seekers are not agricultural workers.

3. E verify is a federal system put in place to verify people working within the US have legal standing to do so. You may not know of this system, but it's real.

4. Trump placing people in sanctuary cities would not make them "legal". Only an immigration Ct can decided their status,

Nothing you have written is accurate.

5. You can verify my claims by actually googling.

As with the above Posted by R217 trump is counting on ignorance and stupidity to stir shit up.

Putting numbers in front of your bullshit doesn't legitimize it. He cannot 'place' them in the country without a legal hearing. They are seeking asylum, not illegally entering and detained in a holding cell until being deported.

E-verify is available for those farmers and agencies that keep track of the visas issued. It only works if the person is found or standing in front of you trying to work. Otherwise, you have an illegal who has overstayed their visa. I know of a farm or two, in CA, right now, where they have little villages of illegals camped out on the property. It's a common practice and they are virtually held as slaves. No one should favor this arrangement and the ones doing it are Republican, like Nunes, or Pete of Pete's Greens (yes indeed, and I've seen the trucks he transports them in).

You spew what you think liberals and democrats think when you have no clue. I'd say you have the problem with accuracy.

No one said asylum seekers were ag workers....what was said was that ag workers are brought into this country under legally issued visas and under strict quotas and conditions. Those who bring in illegals for the same purpose are breaking the law. They need to be prosecuted and the illegals deported.

Only one thing you said was true and hardly worth googling because you admitted you were wrong.

R219, all these people with these ridiculous ideas about aliens live on the east coast or someplace where they’ve never seen a Mexican or South American up close and have no idea what they’re doing here.

99% of the illegals in the United States live here because rich Republican employers want to use them as slaves or scabs to break unions and lower pay for American workers. Stop the rich Republicans, almost every illegal would go back where they came from tomorrow. Even Trump does it and has been caught red-handed. Nobody’s doing jack shit to him either.

R219, you're the stupidest fucking asshole on this thread. Your entire argument starts with the premise that Trump will follow the law. He wants to illegally dump the asylum seekers in blue cities. Illegally. Do you understand that word, moron? Those people will have to find a way to survive after their dumping without papers. They will find jobs anywhere they can and we ALL (except you) know exactly where those jobs are. They are with Trump's rich friends across the country.

Cheap Labor Conservatives lured illegals here to break unions and pad their wallets. It is why Reagan and HW Bush actually gave amnesty.

Deplorables are mad at the wrong party and ideology. I get they will never see eye to eye with liberals on social issues but their reps do not fear them. Deplorables are actually economic liberals- they want infrastructure, SS, Medicare, higher minimum wage......they need to just once or twice vote out their crazy GOP reps and demand the 1% not own 90% of the wealth. That is not sustainable in any way. It is economic suicide. 99% own just 10% of the wealth. That is absolutely the reason rural America is hurting. If they put the fear of God into their GOP reps who take their votes for granted, shit would get done. This is why conservatives go all out to make them HATE liberals. They know, on economic policy, they would embrace liberals completely.

Ivanka took her dad's dick out of her mouth to praise his glorious leadership and the DYNASTY he's building. The wording she used sounded like someone talking about a king. They were chilling.

Oh for goodness sake so much stupidity on this thread right now.

1) asylum seekers are here legally, but not allowed to work here legally.

2) asylum seekers need to stay by where their cases are being adjudicated so unless their are big farms in San Francisco they aren’t likely to be anywhere near a farm.

3) asylum seekers are supported by non-profits while their cases are heard.

4) e-verify is real and its use ought to universally enforced but isn’t. But many places do conscientiously use it.

5) you’d need to live in Russia to think people on the East Coast don’t interact with people from Latin America.

Republicans have shown us that they are all the same, miserable liars who will always protect the worthless snake in the White House...I am talking about Mueller and Rosenstein, here.

[quote] I am talking about Mueller and Rosenstein, here.

Fickle.

Rosie O'Donnell Reveals "Love" for "Superman" Robert Mueller

The shameless Barr

Anything Barr "the Sharpie redactor" forwards is intended to protect Trump. There's no value contained in such other than to show Barr doubling down on being the fixer.

The cartoon I'm waiting for is the one that has Barr dressed in work clothes shoveling a pile of bullshit behind a huge bull that looks like Trump......because that's his job.

Raw Story: President Donald Trump on Saturday morning raged at his former presidential rival, Democrats and “dirty cops” in what appears to be an effort to keep special counsel Robert Mueller’s report secret.

"Why should Radical Left Democrats in Congress have a right to retry and examine the $35,000,000 (two years in the making) No Collusion Mueller Report, when the crime committed was by Crooked Hillary, the DNC and Dirty Cops? Attorney General Barr will make the decision!"

WP: House Democrats give IRS hard deadline of April 23 to turn over Trump tax returns, say administration’s concerns ‘lack merit’

He really is acting like he’s completely gotten away with this.

Everybody's talking about the Mueller report as though it contains all possible information that is negative to Trump and that there's one copy of it sitting in a vault that nobody has seen yet. In reality there are probably people all over D.C. who have the report on flash drives. And it's not like the INFORMATION that's in the report is a big secret. Trump's crookery and the evidence for it not only exists in and of itself (partly because it's still ongoing) but he can't fucking shut up about it.

Be Best - Be Worst

Ok enough with this. The report Tuesday they are releasing has already been seen and approved by the White House. I think Jill or Joyce, two of the Holy Trinity on MSNBC said they expect around 60 percent to be redacted. The day after getting the report is the day Congress calls Mueller and other on his team to testify

Like I said, the more reacted, the worse the blowback is going to be for Trump. Everybody is expecting Barr to protect Trump so the more he redacts, the worse it's going to look. Out of everything, this is going to be the turning point.

The Art of the Deal

Here's the Law That Requires Mnuchin to Turn Over Trump's Taxes, or Lose His Office and Go to Prison

I don't like this a bit. Barr submits a redacted report. Then another report surfaces. And another and you know it is their style to spread confusion, to lie distort, and misdirect. They will claim everything is fake except what comes out of Barr's asshole. That, they will claim, is the real shit. Nadler needs to go to court RIGHT NOW and demand Justice submit the complete, unredacted Mueller report. We are dithering while trump's people run game on us, and what really pisses me off is that we KNOW how they are. We know they're liars, corrupt arrogant, etc. We know and yet we send fucking letters and hold hearings. We should have gone to court within hours of Barr's testimony where he said he would not comply with the deadline and he would not give the full report to Congress.

R224, the asylum seekers will be represented by a laywer who most certainly will send advanced notification of hearing dates. Every blue state has an area requiring agricultural workes. Napa at the very least has vineyards. Landscapers are needed as are nannies, housekeepers, restaurant workers, and day laborers, all able to fly under the radar. They will find employment. As usual, Fatty and his advisers are again putting forth another specious plan, all in an attempt to humilate their enemies, and, as usual, they again will be grossly discredited. I think they call it “owning the ‘tards.”

Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee need to protest Graham's collaborative effort with Trump, Barr, etc. In using the 'investigate the investigators' tactic as a deflection and a totally flawed projection. The inspector General already conducted such an investigation that was thorough.

Democrats need to do some damned thing. I'm so frustrated! They need to close their eyes and ask themselves what would the Republicans do in my position? Then do it. I cannot believe the House is sending Mnuchin another letter asking for Trump's tax returns. I can't believe that first they stand up and talk strong, "We want the Mueller report, unredacted by April 2nd..." And the Barr sits there like some old frog and tells them, no, you get what I give you, when I give it to you." No subpoenas, no curt order, nothing. They are not pushing back aggressively enough.

Trump taxes deadline April 23 there’s that date again! (DLpsychic said thats the day it all comes out)

Sarah Kendzior - "When I said I'd been warning about authoritarianism non-stop on #AMJoy for three years, I was not exaggerating. (See below.) It breaks my heart to see it play out. But do not bow down, do not accept it. You deserve better than this."

[quote]"Nicole Wallace had Donny Deutsch on today. He read all the Characteristics of a sociopath and of course, Trump fits them all.

[quote]A DL'er poster listed those same characteristics on one of these threads months ago.

And a significant number of distinguished psychiatrists put their names to the considered opinion that 'POTUS 45' was, on all available evidence, totally unfit for the job. This was quite soon after 'Inauguration.'

Of course it all bears repeating, can't be done enough. But at one level this is like some dreadful father whom everyone in the family knows is insane, keeps on shifting the narrative to suit his clownish ego, and has enough power and means to do so. He knows he can wear others down by the will of his insanity.

None of which is any reason not to resist and challenge by all possible means.

We need to be doing EVERYTHING we can to legally get rid of him in 2020. If he gets back in we will experience a crack down in every state of anyone who is against him. He will go wild with no restraints.

The oversight committee has subpoenaed trump accounting firm for financial records going back 10 years. The accounting firm has said it will give them the data.

Of course we can't give up fighting this crap. Each Dem we help elect, local or state or federal puts another piece of the blue wall in place. And we are winning the local seats.

R242, I agree. The Democrats do nothing and they are letting Trump and his lackey's get away with it. They know that the Democrats are all talk and won't do a damn thing and they're laughing at them (and us) right in front of their faces. It's going to take a few brave whistleblowers to leak the Mueller report and Trump's taxes and get it out there ad bring Trump down. I'm going to do my part and vote for every Democrat that I can, but I have lost faith in them.

R242 here. I think we have to keep our foot up their asses. Yes, R248, I agree with you, we need to keep electing Democrats on every level, and I love the new members of Congress like AOC and others who have not been beaten down into bureaucrats. We have to push back and keep fighting. But once we elect the Democratswe have to keep pushing them. We need to be calling Pelosi, Nadler and Neal and others in the Democratic House caucus and put pressure on them. They need to be afraid of us. I know if we push hard, they will do the right thing. But if we just leave them to it, they will keep "investigating" and "holding hearings" and sending letters. At some point we need action and we have to make it real clear.

Want to add that the worst thing that can happen is for the GOP to keep playing games and dragging this out, and the Democrats keep fucking around until in 2020 a lot of people with get discouraged and just stay home. It could happen. If we don't get action soon, apathy will set in. Thankfully Trump does something ugly and outrageouos every damned week, so he will keep us angry and energized, but we need people to stay hopeful about the COngress. We need a huge turn out to get the Senate we need and to hold the House.

R248, the Dems hold power in 1/2 of one part of a 3 part system. We are the minority party, on the federal level.

2018 turned states, state legislatures, governships blue. Keep working locally.

This is scary but we have good people working with us. We have to fight.

[quote]I agree. The Democrats do nothing and they are letting Trump and his lackey's get away with it.

His lackey's WHAT, R248?

Did you mean the PLURAL of lackey which is lackeys?

An apostrophe does not make a word plural, you Divisive TROLL.

Trump is turning into a dictator, right in front of our eyes.

Atty. Gen. Barr is going to investigate the fabricated Trump accusation that his campaign was spied on. Meanwhile, we know that the Russians interjected themselves into the election to advance his candidacy, and Trump has since been obsequious with Putin.

Trump makes stuff up, presenting no evidence, and investigators jump.

We’re turning into a Fascist dictatorship in slow motion.

[quote]Republicunt trolls have obviously not heard about the temp visas regularly given to agricultural workers from both Mexico and the Caribbean.

Trump's own business applied for temp foreign workers. Why doesn't he give those jobs to his beloved "economic anxiety" white voters?

People shouldn't allow the Rethugs to get away with these things.

Some historian needs to write a book that is written as a future historical account of the fall of America to fascism/totalitarianism/authoritarianism under Trump.

R255, you should check out Philip Roth’s The Plot Against America.

Yeah, I know about that one, R256. I want one that actually uses the names of this fucking group of fascistic criminals in the hopes that it would be able to break through the minds of the morons who still support him in any way. I know they probably don't read books but hopefully enough excerpts will get out there that it might finally make a difference.

Michael Steele, former RNC Chair and MSNBC contributor, on Chris Mathews with DNC Chair, Perez, was asked yesterday who he thought would win the 2020 election. Steele responded that in terms of predicting today, he believed Donald Trump would win in a close election. Perez would not give a direct prediction to the same question; rather he spoke about the issues Democrats intent to show focus and the energy being generated in the Democratic Party.. Steele has been a moderate critic of Trump, but I was a bit surprised at his definitive sounding tone in actually verbalizing his perceived outcome at this point. Hope he will be proven wrong. Maybe he will later change his view in due time.

it really depends if the economy holds. A good chunk of Trump's base only cares about that. He would certainly lose a good amount of support if things go downhill. It's really been the only thing sustaining him in the low 40s these past 2 years

Maher: I'm "Hoping" For "A Crashing Economy" So We Can Get Rid Of Trump, "Bring On The Recession"

The economy is circling the drain.Inflation is growing at a much higher than predicted rate. Again, the disappearing middle class, working class, and those below will suffer greatly as the 1% pick through the bones of the rest.

About to snap in a fly on the wall.

Something must be coming since the Trolls are trying to get this thread greyed out. WW for OP, everyone!

R261 it needs to get to a point so that Trump and Fox can no longer spin anything. Right now people feel fine. I'm hoping by the fall things will have changed

What is Naggie up to tonight?

"POTUS language on the press has changed noticeably in recent weeks, beyond the basic terms he’s used in past. Often he does that when he’s conditioning supporters ahead of an event of some kind."

It sounds like she's signaling that bad news is coming. Of course, with Trump at some point there's always bad news up ahead. It's just a matter of time.

^Wrong thread, sorry!

The oversight committee gets their hands on ten years of his financial documents on Monday. They bypassed the exclusive branch so it will be the primary documents unredacted. I bet he's telling his base "I'm a zillionaire! I'm rich, rich, rich. Not poor, not broke."

At least I hope so. R265. His emotional trauma feeds my joy.

The electoral college will be the only reason he gets re-elected if that happens. That racist, anti-democratic anachronism will be the death of America. When the Democratic candidate gets 5 million more votes this time and still loses by 30,000 votes in three states due to the electoral college, we need to take up arms. There will be no other choice.

R269, the electoral college ie being dismantled piece by piece by states which are declaring they’re making it null and void. Trump ain’t winning via the electoral college again. He’d have to win the popular vote like Hillary did.

He has already lost Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan. The EC cannot save him.

Florida's new felon enfranchisement law may even change dumb-ass Florida

He lives in a fool's paradise.

R268 this is me as well: His emotional trauma feeds my joy.

R266 is perfectly apt.

This morning on twitter, I read that Trump is unexpectedly making some kind of statement today and the press were told to get ready. Nobody knows what it is. Has that happened yet?

He’s going to announce that Ivanka is pregnant with her own sibling.

ABC: 'Sanctuary cities' plan not 'first choice,' but 'option on the table': Sarah Sanders

"We don't want to put all of the burden on one or two border communities," she told ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos. "Democrats have stated time and time again, they support open borders, they support sanctuary cities, so let's spread out some of that burden and let's put it in some of those other locations if that's what they want to see happen and are refusing to actually help fix the problem."

Why do they keep (falsely) claiming that Democrats are for “open borders”? Literally no Democrat has that as a stated position. Why don’t any of these dumb journalists push back in this statement?

“Can you list one instance in which a Democrat has stated they are for ‘open borders’? I’ll wait.”

There, it’s that easy.

Barr Color Codes

r278 because they know if they say it enough their followers will eventually believe them.

No, R280, I know why they’re saying it. My question is why don’t the interviewers ask the questions I am asking?

“Please quote one single Democrat who has stated that they support ‘open borders’”

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Wallace Tells off Sanders...

She was on George Stephanapoulas this morning stammering her way through his questions. All I could concentrate on was her face. One eye is bigger and higher than the other. Was her real father Quasimodo?

That’s what you define as telling someone off, R283? Wallace seemed to get away from pushing Sarah hard as quickly as he could.

On George Stephanopoulis, the panel said that the Democrats should be talking about how Trump plans to cut Medicare. Both Rahm Emanuel and Chris Christie expressed more common sense than any of the presidential candidates. I wish either or both would get into the primaries - I would vote for either one, regardless of party.

[quote]This morning on twitter, I read that Trump is unexpectedly making some kind of statement today and the press were told to get ready. Nobody knows what it is. Has that happened yet?

Something is coming. That's why the trolls are desperately trying to grey out this thread. Happens like clock work each and every time. Buckle up, it's about to get borschty in here.

And WW the OP to undo the grey out.

FInally saw Seth Abramson on Maher this morning and if you don't watch anything else watch that. YOu don't need HBO, just go on You Tube and watch the interview.

I didn’t even notice the OP was grayed out. I WW’d him.

ABC’s Jonathan Karl revealed on Sunday that officials at the White House now know what’s in the Mueller report.

“They have been briefed but I’m told in broad brush strokes,” Karl explained. “They’ve been briefed enough to know that the White House will not invoke executive privilege to try to get further redactions. But there is significant concern on the president’s team about what will be in this report."

“Even the stuff that will be un-redacted?” ABC News host George Stephanopoulos asked.

“Yes,” Karl clarified. “There is significant concerns about what will be in here — new information — on the obstruction of justice question, what the president was doing regarding some of the big questions. What worries them most is what [former White House counsel] Don McGahn told the special counsel. It was reported that he spent 30 hours before the special counsel. I’m told significantly more than 30 hours.”

And there is reason for the White House to be concerned. According to Karl, no one on the president’s legal team ever debriefed McGahn about what he told the special counsel.

Well Barr refused to answer the question last week when asked if he had been in contact with anyone from the WH about the report. IMO it's obvious he told his son-in-law who then briefed everyone else in the WH.

I'm not impressed with Mueller. Why the fuck did he let a known pathological liar testify to written questions for the simple reason that Trumps crooke3d lawyers said they feared that Trump would perjure himself if he had to answer questions in person? Why did Mueller no interview Don Jr-or if he did why was jr. not indicted-as jr even said he expected to be?. Why did Mueller allow Trump to call him and his team conflicted and angry Democrats and Hannity referred to Mueller and his team as criminals and a mob family. There was zero pushback and Mueller had to know how dangerous DJT and his gang of thugs were with that kind of rhetoric.

Why all the sweetheart deals for Flynn, Papadopoulos and others who we assumed got such deals for cooperating and giving info. It seems to me that Mueller punted on more than just the question of obstruction. I just won't put any faith in any investigators again-and I don't for one second believe that Mueller feared for his life or the lives of family members. He has some "splain' to do-if Congress can put on big grown up panties and get after these traitorous slobs with more vigor. I am not convinced that Mueller's report -even unredacted - will do a damn thing to hold DJT accountable.

sigh...so I just heard on the news how the tax thing would work if Mnuchin does not comply handing over Trump's taxes. He would then supposed to be prosecuted by the US Attorney of DC. He would presumably stay in jail until he either complied or the case was over. The question though is whether the US Attorney there would go through with this as she is a Trump appointee.

Interesting that CNN is airing the Watergate scandal and Nixon's resignation. It's a good reminder for people. It's amazing how much Trump's path has followed Nixon---except it's a big question as to whether any GOP will follow the same path. There was one die hard GOP Nixon supporter who stuck with him until the tapes came out. Then he supported Nixon's impeachment. Maybe Graham is that same Republican.

The main difference is that Trump isn't smart enough to resign.

Now Anderson is interviewing Dean and Bernstein and the former Watergate special prosecutor. They're really giving this a lot of attention.

Which makes you wonder why. Have they heard anything that makes them feel this is relevant?

Interesting commentary in the Salt Lake Tribune today.

This may be a better link.

The comments are interesting on that article. Salt Lake City is not exactly a liberal bastion the last I heard. But the comments sound like Democratic Underground. But cleaner.

WTF !?!......the is a commercial on my tv for "Trumpy Bear"...a stuffed bear with a hairdo like Trump.....and its a fucking full minute commercial. He really is a grifter...and idiots are eating it up.

Did you throw up a little R300? I would have.

Trumpy Bear has been going on since before the election. There’s a western movie channel that has the commercials.

It’s really overpriced too.

No one has asked if Mueller was told to wrap things up earlier than he would have.

They're playing the Nixon tapes on CNN- Nixon is talking about Watergate and the media EXACTLY the same way that Trump talks about Russia and the media.

Do we need to make new "Tick-Tock Motherfucker" signs for Barr now?

We need a tick-tock motherfucker for Bar, Miller, the everyone is too stupid to read Trump's tax return Sarah Sanders, Kelly Ann, Nunes, Lindsay the list of corruption is too damn long

I'm expecting all the bad stuff to be redacted. I really expect us only see neutral or non-incriminating material. Barr will claim bs reasons to redact everything negative, saying he doesn't want to put out damaging info about someone who wasn't indicted, while at the same time believing Trump cannot be indicted since he's President.

We know Barr talks in circles. Just like he kept saying during the hearings last week we need to wait for him to release the report before he'll discuss its contents yet he is taking so long to release it

Barr's behavior is unethical. He needs to be exercising and dieting, not redacting.

Get Mueller's direct testimony before Congress. Distribute those subpoenas NOW.

Bring back Mnuchin's pic in the OP thread starter post.

I think redacted report hits today

[quote]Why all the sweetheart deals for Flynn, Papadopoulos and others who we assumed got such deals for cooperating and giving info.

That's the most puzzling aspect of this for me -- Mueller gave out sweetheart deals to these scum just so he could indict some Russians who will never ever be prosecuted by the U.S.? Makes no sense.

So did Barr the fixer, with this Le Sénatrice by his side,, spend the weekend with color coded markers?

This wasn't using coloring books of the Power Puff Girls Bubbles, Buttercup, and Blossom.

Pronouns and punctuation marks will be left.

R311, count me as one of the puzzled ones as well. What in the world did Gates, Flynn and Papadop give him that was so valuable to warrant such deals if it all came to naught???? And in the case of Flynn and Gates, stuff that they were still providing until only recently that Mueller was still deeming as valuable. Surely, if it was a trail that was leading to dead ends, Mueller and team would have been aware of this after 6 months (?), 1 year (?!!!) and yet they were continuing to give what was reported as on-going, valuable dirt close to two years in. Is it stuff that is now in the hands of SDNY?

Oh look... Mueller trolls are out.

Not a troll R315. Just trying to wrap my head around it. Don’t you find it puzzling?

No, I don't find it puzzling. What is so puzzling about understanding that Mueller's investigation was shut down early?

Seth Abramson points out in Twitter thread below that that contrary to Barr’s statement of no collusion no obstruction, that in fact obstruction is up to Congress to decide, and collusion is the subject of TWENTY ongoing investigations. Those investigations, presumably, are based on information from Flynn, Gates, and others who were given deals.

[quote]CONCLUSION/ Media—and Trumpists—want a unified narrative: Trump wins, his critics whine. That's fun for media—or Trumpists—but bears no relation to reality. Reality: Obstruction is in Congress for impeachment consideration; 20 ongoing investigations are looking at collusive acts.

I do find it odd, and have said so in the past. Mueller wanted more time for Manafort, but the others seemed to get sweetheart deals. Hopefully the full report, if anyone ever gets to see it, will reveal that playing softball with traitors was worth it.

Lindz, the self proclaimed expert Trump-whisperer on handling DJT, advises Mitch on how to interact with DJT.

Lindz, being a complete sychophant to Trump is not controlling him. In reality, it is totally the opposite. Lindz doesn't spin well.

[quote]Lindz doesn't spin well.

But he does it extremely quickly.

Jesus, I can't get over how unfortunate looking that sonofabitch is.

R319, not only does this smell fishy but it seems supremely nonsensical. Nonsensical to the degree that there is not enough Barr redacting that could occur to make this make sense. Surely, there are some insiders here that have heard stuff on the DC streets. Where is the ex Senate page with his girlfriend insider? What are people in the know really saying?

Start calling Mueller and his team of investigators immediately after this piece of shit redacted report comes in

Contact your state's Congressmen and Senators. If they are Democrats, you would be showing support. If they are Republicans, let them feel some pressure.

Call, visit their local offices, Email, use snail mail, write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper, or use whatever proper means necessary to deliver your sentiments. Use multiple methods of contact if you prefer. Be polite/cordial, but state your views clearly and firmly. Ask for a reply, offering your name, address, and perhaps a phone #.

CNN: Justice Dept. expected to release Mueller report Thursday morning.

WP: Mueller report’s release is expected Thursday, Justice Dept. says

Shortages of ink being reported in DC, possibly due to on going redaction project.

Someone should leak the full, unredacted version on Friday morning then.

Nobody is going to believe it anyway and everyone is going to make up their own minds about what is behind the redactions.

Most of us will be able to do this based on context and history.

Round bill and fat Donnie think they are smart but they are old, out of touch and out of step. This is going to damn the both of them.

So, this is the part of the narrative that makes no sense to me. If I’m Flynn, presumably by the time I’m speaking to the FBI, I’ve already had some legal counseling. Given what secrets I have, my counsel has advised me that yes, there is a whole lotta smoke, but no prosecutable fire ( if, and a big if, Barr’s assessment of the report is in any way accurate ) so tell them the truth and, at worst, you’ll get some bullshit probation for failing to report some unethical contacts. But instead, he decides that the risk of being exposed for whatever he’s hiding is greater than the risk of lying to the FBI. So, that tells me that there is something huge there.

Now, Mueller’s job is to catch bigger fish through the use of littler fish. They’re already starting high up on the food chain with security advisor. So, not higher to go other than Trump and family. Flynn is caught lying, starts spilling and Mueller and team decide that not only is Flynn’s stuff good enough but recommend a sweetheart deal despite the judge advising that Flynn be charged with treason! Add to that, during the recent progress report on Flynn and Gates , that their continued cooperation was STILL of value. How could an old pro like Mueller have misread the bread crumbs? DOES NOT COMPUTE!!!!! Even if Barr was pressuring him to wrap it up, they have had at least a year on Barr’s appointment to have gotten the criticals down on this stuff, don’t you think? An old pro like Mueller wasn’t thinking ahead given all the rumors of his impending firing for two years?

It really is a total mystery to me how the biggest investigation in U.S. history wraps up with such a whimper. I was one of the fangirls who thought that Mueller had a dead man’s switch for almost any outcome, especially with the daily tweet threats from BLOTUS. So, how did we get to this point where most of the report will be redacted and we don’t know anything we didn’t already know. Does anyone really think that there will be anything negative about Trump left unredacted? I do not trust Barr at all. His performance last week was just scary.

I also never bought the whole Mueller-Barr friendship talking point that was being furiously repeated before the report was handed in. It seemed like a right wing meme being circulated to give Barr cover.

It hasn't whimpered out yet. We'll eventually get to see the unredacted report, then we can actually judge what happened.

Congress needs the full, unredacted report, and Mueller appears to answer questions following the distribution. The job of Congress is oversight.

Barr has shown he's a Trump lackey. He has no intention to be objective and complete. He will impede as far as he can.

[quote] Someone should leak the full, unredacted version on Friday morning then.

Sorry, but I'm out of business.

Apparently you're out of deodorant too r335.

Isn't it possible that the info from sweetheart deals was passed on by Mueller to the other investigations and that's why we haven't heard more? There's a report that we don't know if Mueller ever looked at Trump's financial information but some of the other investigations are doing that.

Also I saw on tv there's a report that Nunes may have met or planned to meet with Barr before the report's release. I hope that's not fucking true but I kinda expect it at this point

Don't forget. Every time Mueller wanted to do something, he had to run it passed Rod Rosenstein. That's a fact. Do not overlook that.

McTurtle gets his reward from a Russian oligarch.

[quote]Julia Davis @JuliaDavisNews · 5h [quote]Rusal — Oleg Deripaska's company that was recently granted sanctions relief by Treasury — plans to invest $200 million in a Kentucky rolling mill that would be the largest new aluminum plant built in the U.S. in nearly four decades. #Russia

And something like R339 is going to be swept under the rug. Why? Because money talks.

Here it is! Enjoy

^^^^^^^^^

Wow, that was a short read.

House Democrats just subpoenaed Deutsche Bank for their records regarding Trump.

YES. GET HIM

btw is there a thread about Bill Weld? He just announced today he's officially running for the republican nomination for President. So he's directly going to challenge Trump. He also said he will not run as independent if he doesn't win the repub nom

So there were 18 high level prosecutors who gave up almost two years of their lives (and a lot of $$$) to work on an investigation that will result in a Barr Redacted Report that hides anything damaging to Trump and essentially clears him. If I were one of those prosecutors, I'd be looking for the nearest MSNBC, Politico, or Buzz Feed reporter to slip a couple of unredacted pages. One prosecutor may not have the entire report. Mueller may have kept everyone in silos so only a few knew the complexity of the entire report but I wouldn't doubt if we see some unredacted pages start to show up on Friday.

I can't find it now, but in one of these threads, someone posted that 2020 is already over because Trump raised $30Million in the first quarter for his reelection. Of course no individual Democratic candidate comes close to that yet. But if you add all Democratic candidates together, in the first quarter they raised almost THREE TIMES what Trump has raised.

First quarter 2019:

Trump: $30.1Million

All Democrats Combined: $87Million

Mueller's dead man's switch was farming everything out that he could.

Sure, some of those dates may be under DOJ but the states are standing by with their own charges if round bill tries to shut the federal cases down.

It's too big now and the genie is done out the bottle.

Barr did the very same thing to Congress in 1989. He wrote an "opinion" while he was in the office of the WH Counsel, justifying the kidnapping of foreigners for something something, and it was the pretext for trapping and kidnapping and arresting Noriega. Congress demanded a copy, wanted him to cite his legal authority, and he said he'd provided them with a "summary of the principal points." Exact words he used about the Mueller report.

Eventually, because they went to court, he had to provide the entire opinion, and it was the shadiest bullshit they'd ever seen. It was practically illegal. preposterous. And yet, Nadler, who ought to know this history, and the top congressional staff to that committee who would also know, realize that the Mueller Report is so much more important, yet no one has gone to court to demand Barr turn over the complete, unredacted report.

Nadler told him they wanted it by a specific date, (April 2nd) and he said, in so many words, "I will give it to you on another date, at my convenience and it will be redacted. " I would have ahd federal marshals arresting his ass. I'd have gone to a judge I'd have subpoenaed that report. Some thing. WTF are there no consequences for such arrogance? I'm truly mystified. And once again the media is hyping the fact that Thursday "the Mueller Report" is dropping. Uh, no, the Barr interpretation of the Mueller report is dropping.

[quote]It's too big now and the genie is done out the bottle.

So what are they waiting for? The end of Trump's second term?

[quote]But if you add all Democratic candidates together, in the first quarter they raised almost THREE TIMES what Trump has raised.

But most of them will waste most of this money on their unsuccessful primary campaigns.

r350, it gives an accurate snapshot of the donor pool. When the candidate is chosen, the floodgates of Democratic cash will open.

[quote] the floodgates of Democratic cash will open.

The 1% is ready

Barr's Russia ties

[quote]btw is there a thread about Bill Weld?

Ask, and it shall be given you:

OK it finally made the Washington Post. Great photo too. With Assistant Attorney General Robert Mueller standing in the background...

Isn't it almost assured that Mueller, if called to testify before Congress, will not reveal anything from any of the redacted parts because the AG has decided those portions should be redacted and he's too much of a damn boy scout to counter that? I picture a lot of "I can't answer that." or "You'll have to ask Barr." types of answers, even if they are in closed session because he'll do as directed by his "boss".

R356- I don't get why the redacted parts can't be shared in a closed session. The public can't see those parts, but doesn't Nadler have security clearance? Why wouldn't he be allowed to see the redacted parts?

Also, with a redacted report, do they just black out parts of sentences? Or do they remove whole paragraphs? Because if they're just blacking out parts, couldn't some of the redactions be figured out based on the sentences that come before or after the blacked out parts?

R357, Barr has said even the committees in congress with top secret security clearance will not be given the unredacted report. I think Mueller will, due to his boy scout ways, will decline to speak about those areas because of Barr being his "boss". He will throw it back to Barr's court, even in closed session, because that's what Barr has decided.

And, they will likely black out entire pages. There have been redacted filings from Mueller before that had page after page of nothing but black and a page number on it.

I think we're going to get a tiny little bit of "bad" because if Barr makes it all look like black bars and sunshine there will be no way to spin that bullshit. But that "bad" will be about people other than Trump. Just watch.

The Committees are being wise to get the redacted report because then can then compare it for any DELETED pages when it is fully available.

Another path to obstruction.

Can you do a thread about this too?

Mrs. McConnel’s FAA rushed through the approval? Huge scandal here.

Link via VOX.

How is this not the number one issue that always follows his name when mentioned.

NUMBER ONE ISSUE, FOLKS:

This much is known: On Barr’s public financial disclosure report, he admits to working for a law firm that represented Russia’s Alfa Bank and for a company whose co-founders allegedly have long-standing business ties to Russia. What’s more, he received dividends from Vector Group, a holding company with deep financial ties to Russia.

SDNY says they will pursue charges against Trump 12 years after he has completed his second term in office.

[quote]On Barr’s public financial disclosure report, he admits to working for a law firm that represented Russia’s Alfa Bank...

You mean the Alfa Bank that had a secret server in the basement of Trump Tower in 2016? Well, isn't that a coincidence.

[quote]SDNY says they will pursue charges against Trump 12 years after he has completed his second term in office.

Says who?

R364, I think they were being sarcastic about how long it seems to be taking to charge some of these fuckers.

We're getting to it.

Hold your horses.

But first we are busy here in the office seeing if you really can light your farts on fire.

Very critical work here being done.

I sometimes wonder if Democratic politicians and former federal attorneys on tv were just playing nice when they said they respected Barr and that he had a good record? I mean the more we find out about just his behavior during Bush I years, the more untrustworthy and dirty he comes across.

Barr is a GOP fixer. He has a long record for such.

Approving him for AG again by the Republican dominated Senate was deliberate for the purpose of ending the Mueller investigation prematurely and protecting Trump and his inner circle from prosecution.

Barr may be an elite attorney within the Republican establishment, but expecting objectivity and serving the nation at-large, are not part of his ethically challenged agenda. Wrong person at the wrong time.

Cheeto-flavored ass worship from the ever-elegant Michele Bachmann:

[quote]“He is highly biblical, and I would say to your listeners, we will in all likelihood never see a more godly, biblical president again in our lifetime. So we need to be not only praying for him, we need to support him, in my opinion, in every possible way that we can.”

Wow, these people have been totally “turned.” Full-on cult behavior.

Yes, fucking a porn actress while your former escort wife is at home with a little baby is the most godly, Biblical conduct possible!

R369 How can she say shit like that with a straight face? He's not smart enough to be able to read the bible even if he wanted to - which he doesn't. What's her description of "Godly" - locking brown babies in cages?

By the most holy blood of the Virgin Melania!

We need to expose this and raise hell about it and we cannot stop. This is MAJOR, so post it retweet it and start telling people and notify the media. RAISE HELL!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, will do, R374. Reality needn't suffer for nothing and thank you.

Multiply this by Louisiana, Mississippi, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc. .....we are so fucked.

Something must be about to happen, so many trolls creating mindless threads.

Reminder to WW the OP since they're trying to strike out the thread.

The activity is in anticipation of the Mueller report. Some journalists on twitter, especially guys like Rick Wilson, are saying not to refer to it as The Mueller Report until Congress possesses the complete, unredacted Mueller report with supporting documents.

It seems odd to me that they're panicking and worried about the report coming out.... it's being redacted by their fixer so why bother having Ghouliani prepare a rebuttal?

Oh come on guys, Michelle Bachmann calling this thing what she did is fucking laughable. She is trying, and not succeeding, in getting under our skin with such outlandish talk. She way over shot. Dumb bitch. Though, compared to her evil, black soul, he probably looks godly. We all know the GOP is anything but godly so they are comparing devils to demons.

When political hacks get cornered, they turn to religion. The tea-party wing of the GOP is full of them. Trump is the biggest hack of them all. He cheats at everything he does. No wonder they worship him as their Messiah now.

I don't listen to a fucking thing any GOPer has to say. They have lost being given the courtesy. I mute if they are on TV or will skim read what they say but the content of what they say is something I take not one ounce of consideration. All of them. I know it will be lies, exaggerations, spin, propaganda, their daily 4:15AM talking points via Moscow/Heritage. They have no original thoughts in their heads.

We need to just keep repeating the top 1% have 90% of the wealth. That is fucking insane, unsustainable and when it comes crashing down it will be something so horrific we cannot imagine all cause by the GOP. How does anyone think having the top 1% having 90% of the wealth something that isn't a top level emergency for national security. It is so incredibly dangerous. But that is an understatement because it is that dangerous their are no words. Even Bernie, who talks about it a lot, doesn't have anywhere near the level of urgency the matter deserves. 99% of us are fighting over 10% of the wealth. Mind blowing.

I used the wrong there in "there are no words". Ugh. Sorry.

Michelle Bachmann is desperately trying to sound revelent, uttering her wicked pattern of nonsense.

R381 It's due to the transition from a manufacturing economy into a consumer economy in the US. The mass consumption of goods and services created the 1% but since the consumers are no longer in the chain of production, which were off-shored to cheaper places, they are stuck with low-paying service jobs and what's worse, they are conditioned to keep buying more stuff than they can afford to keep the 1% rich.

Week? Try at least for many months.

R384 No, it was due to intentional tax/spending and regulation policies orchestrated by the GOP. Did some Dems have a hand in this? Yes, but nowhere near equally. What you mentioned didn't help but the GOP knew what it was doing.

The GOP is not your friend on economic policies, not even the rich. The rich do better under Dems as well as all other income brackets.

R386 Yes, the GOP let corporations who makes money off consumers off the hook from paying corporate taxes through loop-holes and other tricks. That encourages corporate greed to a whole new level, leading to "lobbying" for more handouts/leniency. It's a vicious cycle. If you let Wall Street run the government, they will drain the country dry and still be thirsty for more.

yeah I wouldn't get your hopes up about what we'll find out on Thursday. I expect Barr to redact as much damaging stuff as possible.

We won't get anything unless the House Dems get access to the full report

R388 Is there any way for the House to ask a judge to authorize the release of grand jury materials to Congress? That would clear the way for cutting down one of Barr's excuses for his cover up. Letting a biased AG hellbent on protecting the one being investigated be the sole arbiter of that process is a clear conflict of interest.

I will never get my hopes up of the truth coming out as long as there is a conservative willing to stop it. The truth will come out, I think, in a very abrupt, shocking manner by some hero who is willing to go there if you know what I mean.

Grand Jury confidentiality is not an "excuse". It's required under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and repeatedly upheld by the Supreme Court.

[quote] "if preindictment proceedings were made public, many prospective witnesses would be hesitant to come forward voluntarily"; "witnesses who appeared before the grand jury would be less likely to testify fully and frankly"; and "there also would be the risk that those about to be indicted would flee, or would try to influence individual grand jurors". Further, "persons who are accused but exonerated by the grand jury [should] not be held up to public ridicule"

And the congressmen and pundits playing you with "reveal everything" know this.

Law suits have been filed and the Judge reviewing them is already criticizing Barr for casting a shadow over the findings, etc. I think it will take a couple months (at most) but we're going to see the report in the hands of Congress unredacted. Once Congress has it, it'll leak. LOL!

Hahahahaha!!

"BREAKING: New Jeffrey Epstein accuser goes public; defamation lawsuit targets Dershowitz"

Is there something connection with Trump and that's the real reason he's gone batshit? Maybe he's not worried about the Mueller report as much as he's worried about being connected to this?

Oh man.

"Giuffre claims in the lawsuit that @AlanDersh , 80, knew about and participated in Epstein and Maxwell’s sex trafficking operation, and that she was forced to have sex with Dershowitz and other prominent, wealthy men, when she was underage."

Oh, double wow.

"Let's shine a little sunlight on this when now-AG Bill Barr's father Donald Barr, was headmaster at the Dalton school in NYC, he hired a two-time college dropout to teach physics and calculus to high school students

That teacher's name was Jeffrey Epstein"

Trump walks on water.

R397 Franklin Graham is Anti-Christian in every way. He worships money and power. He is all about conservative, not Christian, values.

He is a joke with an evil, black soul.

Hypochristians love the orange turd. He breathes life into their half hearted faith and full on hypocrisy. They really believe they have been given their wealth so they may rule by the grace of their made up cloud fairy. What they've actually been given is a faster path to corruption and misery.

Stoking the fires of civil war and extermination

R400 He can't get over 50% so he has to drum up hate amongst his shrinking fans.

Most unpopular "president" ever. Poor sad, black soul.

R365, she can say it because these people think it was great that Lot had sex with his daughters.

So these posters are sold to the fundamentalists', religious right?

There is no bigger laugh than to put him next to Jesus or think Jesus condones this manbaby. This shows how morally bankrupt and evil the religious right is. Hint- they are not religious or right.

Still, falling down laughter is all that should follow photos like that.

Rachel was stomping on Barr tonight. She really tore his ass up. He has been a sleaze bag and a weirdo for years. His habit of claiming things were confidential and how he could not allow Congress to see them? WTF.

R405 Yet the media (owned by 5 corps) all just ho-hummed it. In their defense, even the rational personnel inside the loop like Chuck Rosenthal claimed Barr was above board. None of US thought so and provided proof regularly.

If they're conservative, they're liars, grifters and all around immoral thieves.

Barss issues were common knowledge, but at his confirmation, everyone was so obsessed with the Mueller Report and Barrs 19 page memo, that every single person neglected to bring up his past issues....it was almost deliberate....Barr knew to keep those issues in the background and unmentioned.

BREAKING: Bible humping Trump supporter crazier than a shithouse rat.

Hard to believe, I know.

Well, considering most of the Republicans commenting on the Mueller Report haven’t seen any of it, the fact that they’re getting so worked up means they think Trump is guilty and there’s something awful in there. Obviously they are convinced he’s not innocent, because if he was they’d want everyone to see it.

R408- She doesn't really believe any of that but it's the only way she's going to get her 15 minutes of fame.

Isn’t there something in the Bible that specifically forbids worshipping false gods, R408? Didn’t some people in ancient times get in trouble for worshipping a golden calf instead of god? Don’t any of these people read the Bible? Oh yes, here it is:

When Moses went up into Biblical Mount Sinai to receive the Ten Commandments (Exodus 24:12-18), he left the Israelites for forty days and forty nights. The Israelites feared that he would not return and demanded that Aaron make them "gods" to go before them (Exodus 32:1). Aaron gathered up the Israelites' golden earrings and ornaments, constructed a "molten calf" and they declared: "These [be] thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt." (Exodus 32:4)

Aaron built an altar before the calf and proclaimed the next day to be a feast to the LORD. So they rose up early the next day and "offered burnt-offerings, and brought peace-offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play." (Exodus 32:6) God told Moses what the Israelites were up to back in camp, that they had turned aside quickly out of the way which God commanded them and he was going to destroy them and start a new people from Moses. Moses besought and pleaded that they should be spared (Exodus 32:11-14), and God "repented of the evil which He said He would do unto His people."

Moses went down from the mountain, but upon seeing the calf, he became angry and threw down the two Tablets of Stone, breaking them. Moses burnt the golden calf in a fire, ground it to powder, scattered it on water, and forced the Israelites to drink it. When Moses asked him, Aaron admitted collecting the gold, and throwing it into the fire, and said it came out as a calf (Exodus 32:21-24).

The Bible records that the tribe of Levi did not worship the golden calf. When Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said: 'Whosoever is on the LORD's side, let him come unto me.' And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. And he said unto them: 'Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel: Put ye every man his sword upon his thigh, and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.' And the sons of Levi did according to the word of Moses; and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men. (Exodus 32:26-28)

She’s raising Trump to the level of a golden calf. Didn’t end well last time.

R410 Of course she doesn't. Cultists gotta cult. It is their drug.

R411 They do not read the Bible. Well, they read it but don't actually read it. They can pronounce the words and all while thinking about porn and whatever else they do aside from anything Jesus related. The religious right is truly anti-christ. It is amazing how they can act so contrary to Christ in every way and openly. I guess if you scream long enough you are Christian and believe Christian values people just accept it?????

[quote]She’s raising Trump to the level of a golden calf. Didn’t end well last time.

As I dimly recall, as a Christian she's also supposed to support stoning adulterers.

And condemn liars.

And stay out of politics.

etc etc etc

JESUS IS BACK IN THE WHITEHOUSE!

The evangelicals love Trump for a few reasons. They forgive him his sins because he is putting Christian judges in place, and making abortion all but illegal.

They also believe that the Temple being rebuilt in Jerusalem will bring back Jesus/usher in the End Times, and Trump moving the embassy is the first step.

I recall the Anti-Christ is supposed to be charismatic and seem like a good thing to many at the beginning.

Trump is Jesus.

[quote] Trump is Jesus

Which is more modest a view then we've lately seen.

"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."

-- Halle Berry

Lawyers from the Justice Department and 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑙’𝑠 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑔𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑑, 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑏𝑦 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑛𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑙𝑦 400-𝑝𝑎𝑔𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑓𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑟𝑒𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑅𝑜𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑡 𝑆. 𝑀𝑢𝑒𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑟 𝐼𝐼𝐼 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑒𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑡 𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑡ℎ, 𝑢𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑐𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑟 𝑐𝑜𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑎𝑙 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑓𝑖𝑒𝑑 𝑜𝑟 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑡𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛.

Barr told a Senate panel last week he was surprised that Mueller’s report did not contain a vetted summary that he could quickly release to the public.

Instead, he said, every page carried a warning that it contained what he called “6(e) material,” a reference to Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, which establishes rules for grand jury secrecy.

That’s among the four categories of protected information that officials are redacting from the report, which is officially titled “Report on the Investigation Into Russian Interference in the 2016 Presidential Election.”

Each category has been assigned a color to identify the reason for each cut or trim, but for now the four hues are as closely guarded as the report’s contents.

Besides grand jury evidence, the categories include classified material from U.S. intelligence agencies or allies, information about ongoing investigations, and details that could “unduly infringe on the personal privacy and reputational interests of peripheral third parties.”

The vague final category raised concerns that prosecutors could try to shield the White House from embarrassing new disclosures. But Barr promised a Senate panel on Wednesday he wouldn’t hide unflattering information about the president.

“I'm talking about people in private life, not public-office holders," he told the Senate Appropriations Committee on Wednesday.

Do we think that the redacted report has gone to Trump so he can make additional changes or do we think that Trump had a pigeon in the redaction group that was solely looking out for his welfare. I know Barr said that he wasn't planning on having any categories as Executive Privilege but he worded that statement in a funny sort of way that gave him wiggle room. As with Mueller, I don't think Barr takes on this role without going full throttle. I expect pages upon pages of redacted material. We know the summaries were designed by Mueller's team to be released so it will be interesting to see how much of those is redacted.

I'm always reminded of this apt William Burroughs quote: “Never do business with a religious son-of-a-bitch. His word ain't worth a shit--not with the Good Lord telling him how to fuck you on the deal.”

Of course Trump's lawyers or people close to him have been briefed on the report. Probably have not actually seen it, so they can maintain deniability, but they know what's in it. Barr is slime. Rachel said last night, "It will be interesting to see what Barr will "be shoveling our way" on Thursday. She was urging the media to tread cautiously and went through the entire 1989 mess where Barr fucked up in a very controversial way regarding Noriega. The only thing she was careful about was trying not to let too much shit spill on Pappy Bush the "new President." But clearly 41, IMO, was just an Ivy League version of sleaze with better manners.

That have a nice little back channel going on with Barr's son. "Don't worry, Dad's taking care of everything."

Will Buffet Barr deliver anything on Kompromat? You just know Barr redacted all the content of who was determined or suspected of being compromised. That's the domain whereby certain Republican House and Senate members fear disclosures about themselves, particularly the ones who have been wallowing in oligarch and tainted N-R-A cash.

Isn't DJT too fat, old, lazy, ignorant, and out of shape to be an action hero? Plus, he's orange, not bronze.

Barr is an obscene joke on America. Also Russian money in his bank account. We need to make sure those RUssian connections are highly publicized.

Rachel dis a beautiful expose on Barrs history of blatant lying to the American people and she called it Strategic Deception.

Trump appointed Barr because he was a proven master of FAKE NEWS.

Rolypoly better watch his step. His redactions are already in front of a judge.

Apologies for the examiner link.

My phone seems to be on rolypoly's payroll.

Trump doesn't know his ass from his elbow when it comes to finding people like Barr. Someone recommended Barr to Trump. it was like discovering gold. There were discussions. Trump wanted him to be part of his defense team. Barr said no. The audition memo, 19 pages, etc. and Barr's own "job interview" to be AG all were orchestrated by people like Rudy, or someone from the Senate. No way would Trump on his own ever consider a former Bush person...unless that person was dirty enough to satisfy him. And Barr certainly is. I Say Graham or Grassley. Graham didn't go to Congress until 1994 election. So maybe someone more familiar with the Bush 41 era. I have to say from their point of view it was a masterstroke to get Barr in there. Rachel says his whole strategy is delay delay delay. He doesn't care if his opinions are challenged or he goes to court. He thinks he can piss away a few years on litigation the political value of the crisis will diminish and no one will care about fallout. At least that's one strategy. LOL! This isn't going to drag out that long.

r429...yes, the GOP....the loyalists will do anything to retain power including calling in their most faithful operatives.

Washington Post: Analysis: 3 ways the Mueller report still threatens Trump

The Hill: Trump slams 'dirty cops' at FBI over Steele dossier

Trump's still trying to give jobs to all the best people.

The Media and the fucking members of Congress need to see all of this for the serious threat it is to our government. To keep hiring people with these fucked up philosophies all of which boil down to the fact that they seek a rationale to accommodate their corruption, the veneer of legality with extremist philosophies ike the "unitary executive." which is a pretty way of saying authoritarian dictator. This shit is no joke. THis is not business as usual. All these people who think we'll have another election and get rid of Trump or WTF ever need to know they are not going quietly. They need to impeach Trump and get rid of all the fuckers who have Conspired with him.

Trump and his allies have as much concern for regular Americans as Caligula had for peasants.

I despise his allies but also have contempt for the under-educated who believe he's akin to Jesus. Suckers. We live in a country where a broad array of information is available at the touch of a fingertip. People who listen to only right wing "news" sources are upending our democracy.

I keep my faith in the educated and rational of this country who are fighting back against the ignorance and cruelty that sustain trump. Peasants of the oppressed world under dictators were mostly illiterate. We have a literate population, many highly educated, who are still resisting. I can't believe trump has gone as far as he has, his followers need to wake up and pay attention to what they have to lose.

Barr is giving a press conference at 930 am tomorrow.....hes going to try to shape the narrative before Congress has an opportunity to cry foul.

9:30 am? Perhaps following a WH breakfast with DJT, Rudy, Miz Lindz, Sekulow, Nunes, Kushner, Ivanka, Miller, Meadows, J. Jordan, Gohmert, and Gaetz?

Trump is calling Joe Biden "Sleepy" now.

Sleepy was the nickname he gave Chuck Todd last year.

Trump can't remember that? Or, has he run out of nicknames.

Sounds like dementia.

Trump tweeted about the press conference before Barr released a statement.

Mrs. Betty Bowers:

The purpose of this "press conference" is not to provide information but to provide @FoxNews with video soundbites they can play relentlessly to spin whatever is left of the actual report.

[quote]Trump tweeted about the press conference before Barr released a statement.

So much for not consulting with the WH about the report.

Fucking crooks

"Robert S. Mueller III’s findings will be public on Thursday, but some of them will not be news to President Trump.

Justice Department officials have had numerous conversations with White House lawyers about the conclusions made by Mr. Mueller, the special counsel, in recent days, according to people with knowledge of the discussions. The talks have aided the president’s legal team as it prepares a rebuttal to the report and strategizes for the coming public war over its findings."

NYT reporting that the DOJ and the WH have had many discussions about the report.

I think we all knew it already, R444. Their complete denial is telling, but not surprising.

No longer a need to pay taxes. Laws don’t exist anymore. Is the Purge about to begin?

Seems odd to hold a press conference about the Mueller Report and not invite Mueller.

What news bomb will dump drop to try and take attention away?

Barr will do nothing but spin, and reporters won't have read the report -- it's a goddamned banana republic spectacle of shit

Every day, all day, it's some new outrage from this administration. It won't end until cockroach trump and his cronies are in out of our government. It's so frustrating how few safeguards we had in place to protect us from an autocrat bent on destroying our government. Apart from voting (in almost two long years) I feel so helpless. I am so disgusted with the people who protect him. I never knew such hatred and recklessness was as prevalent as it is in this country.

Call Mueller immediately after the release of the report

[quote] Call Mueller immediately after the release of the report

And expect him to repudiate the redactions his office made "𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑑, 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑏𝑦 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒" ?

POLITICS: SHOWBIZ FOR UGLY PEOPLE

Just watching Rachel right now and wow. Barr totally played this same game twenty years ago. He is a snake.

Barr should be tied up and made to eat is own feces. And when he's done, he should be made to eat Trump's.

NYT: White House and Justice Dept. Officials Discussed Mueller Report Before Release

Release of report between 11-12 noon tomorrow

So news conference first by Barr to spin this shit without anyone being able to rebut because the report will be released two hour later?

Politico reporting a Mueller spokesperson says no one from Mueller team will be at Barr press conference tomorrow.

Call Mueller immediately to testify. This is a national emergency

Someone please leak the full report tonight!

This won't end until the GOP is stripped of power at every level in most states as well as federally. They are rotten crooks to the core. There will be someone in the wings who will be worse than what we currently have. He set the template for what the base wants. There will never be another "normal" GOPer winning a nomination for Pres again. They know the only way to win is to fire up the base with a big, showbiz, entertaining (for some) nominee who will "stick it to the libs" and on and on.

Conservatism does not work and is not popular broken down to individual policies without the platitudes and spin. Center-left is vastly more popular issue by issue on everything. They know it. Forget the "browning of America" bullshit. Even white voters, when the platitudes and spin is not there, actually agree with center-left policies. His base is economically liberal. It is the social issues where they veer very conservative.

Conservatives have carefully and skillfully built this cult mentality precisely because they know their ideology is not palatable to a majority.

Barr and the White House attorneys have had weeks to go over and rewrite this report to Trump's talking points No Collusion No obstruction. This is a total scam on the American people

Call Mueller to testify

RR is either playing a very skilled game setting things up to finally bring this nightmare to an end or he has been compromised.

There will/might be a hero come out of this and it would have to be someone like him in his position. Am I hopeful? No. We will win this in the end but, unless that hero steps forward quickly, we will be taken to the edge. That edge is obviously our very existence as a nation truly following the constitution and rule of law without regard to personal/party/ideological power. There is an absolute panic within the GOP for reasons I outlined in R462. That are frantic.

If Mueller truly is the person so many describe him as, he must be that hero who throws it all away to get the truth out. My only worry is, the same people who vouched for Barr also vouch for Mueller. We shall see..........

I'm not sure what kind of game RR could be playing... I think it's clear that he's just another asshole, Rethug on the take.

God, they really are all in on it. Rosenstein included.

Nadler announced today that his committee will be issuing a subpoena on Friday to get the unredacted report.

I wish the media wouldn't hype the release of the redacted report tomorrow. Nothing is stopping Barr from redacting all the negative stuff about Trump. He can simply say they're part of ongoing investigations and/or he doesn't want to release damaging info about someone who't not indicted. I will be SHOCKED if we get anything negative tomorrow.

Rosenstein did take part in the letter to fire Comey so he can't be fully trusted either.

We just need the goddamn report

[quote]Politico reporting a Mueller spokesperson says no one from Mueller team will be at Barr press conference tomorrow.

Good. Their presence would validate it. That's probably why they are purposefully staying away.

R469, I don't understand why Nadler didn't issue a subpoena the day the report was handed over to Barr.

R471- ITA - I think that's the same reason Mueller declined to read Barr's summary. Reading it would be like approving of it. The only way the real truth will come out is if Mueller testifies before Congress.

The ONLY thing I can think about why they've waited to subpoena the full report is if they're playing some sort of game where they wanted to catch them in the cover up and abusing their power, etc.

But somehow, I think that might be too optimistic.

I'm still confused over why Drumpf and his cronies were panicking about the redacted report coming out. It made no sense knowing that it would be redacted and covered up so why the need to have Ghouliani work on a rebuttal?

Nadler, Dems to hold their own press conference tonight

GOOD. Time for them to finally do something

Word is that major goings on went down in the offices at SDNY today.

There was a fierce debate as to whether have Thai or Italian for lunch and they spent all day going back and forth over which to choose.

R474, there's no amount of redaction Barr can do that cleanse Trump. He has to reveal the extent of the redactions, and the more he redacts, the guiltier Trump will look.

Shimon Prokupecz -

Refresh refresh refresh tomorrow folks:

A copy of the redacted Mueller report will be posted on the special counsel website after it has been delivered to Congress.

[quote]Barr should be tied up and made to eat is own feces. And when he's done, he should be made to eat Trump's.

Please stop trying to get Miss Lindz overly aroused.

[quote]And when he's done, he should be made to eat Trump's.

You say that as though he doesn't already. Who hasn't?

Deplorables grow weary

comments.

Barr's game has been exposed. His strategy has no credibility.

All Buffet Barr had to do was turn over the full report with Mueller's summaries to the Congressional leadership.

Barr is disgusting and wicked.

It doesn't matter, R482, that person would still vote for him again.

[quote] All Buffet Barr had to do was turn over the full report with Mueller's summaries to the Congressional leadership.

Mueller didn't make summaries.

Barr told a Senate panel last week he was surprised that Mueller’s report did not contain a vetted summary that he could quickly release to the public.

Instead, he said, every page carried a warning that it contained what he called “6(e) material,” a reference to Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, which establishes rules for grand jury secrecy.

Jerry Nadler is holding a press conference right now. He’s currently taking questions.

R482. Not this guy?

R488 The Deplorable devolves into Delusional.

Except, R486, people on the Mueller team have said they intentionally included summaries that could be released.

One keeps hearing "this and that" has been referred to the SDNY. That has been occurring for many months. What are they doing? Silence.......

R490 - Yep!

Images of Jesus & Mary with assault rifles.

Who knew?

R493, it's superficially absurd.

But when you consider that this religion has generated the Crusades, the Conquests and the near extermination of native peoples, and that the Roman Catholic Church was in bed with the Nazis and the fascists, well!

Chris Matthews was kvetching about how spineless and weak the Democrats have become lately. He has a point. They seem very ineffectual. They’re being steamrolled on the Mueller report just like they were on Merrick Garland.

The corruption continues unabated.

From the article, "“In 2017, the department reversed course, adopting arguments nearly identical to those put forward by Trump’s private sector lawyers. Instead of defending the republic against foreign influence, the department is defending Trump’s ability to receive money from foreign governments,” Clark added.

A justice department spokesperson declined to comment, but pointed to its filings in the emoluments lawsuits which Clark has noted contain five arguments similar to those used by Trump’s business lawyers. Among the key justice arguments is that the foreign emoluments clause only was intended to prohibit the president accepting gifts and employment compensation from a foreign government, but allows him to benefit from what it calls “commercial transactions”."

Dems don't coordinate messages like the GOP does. That is their weakness. Every conservative has their orders and talking points in great detail at all times. Liberals do not fall in line like this. Smart people with ethics do not fall in line like this.

Per WaPo tonight:

Mueller report will be lightly redacted, revealing detailed look at obstruction of justice investigation

By Matt Zapotosky , Carol D. Leonnig , Rosalind S. Helderman and Devlin Barrett April 17 at 8:37 PM The Justice Department plans to release a lightly redacted version of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s 400-page report Thursday, offering a granular look at the ways in which President Trump was suspected of having obstructed justice, people familiar with the matter said.

The report — the general outlines of which the Justice Department has briefed the White House on — will reveal that Mueller decided he could not come to a conclusion on the question of obstruction because it was difficult to determine Trump’s intent and because some of his actions could be interpreted innocently, these people said. But it will offer a detailed blow-by-blow of the president’s alleged conduct — analyzing tweets, private threats and other episodes at the center of Mueller’s inquiry, they added.

Attorney General William P. Barr plans to hold a 9:30 a.m. news conference to address “process questions” and provide an “overview of the report,” a senior Justice Department official said. The report will be delivered on discs to Capitol Hill between 11 a.m. and noon and posted on the special counsel’s website thereafter, the official said.

And why was it difficult to interpret Cheeto's intent?

Oh yeah, they didn't interview him!

[quote]The report — the general outlines of which the Justice Department has briefed the White House on — will reveal that ....

So the fact that the AG is playing footsie with the WH under the table merits just a parenthetical clause. Not even a full sentence. Heysouz!

[quote]Chris Matthews was kvetching about how spineless and weak the Democrats have become lately. He has a point. They seem very ineffectual. They’re being steamrolled on the Mueller report just like they were on Merrick Garland.

Just stop. The Democrats are in control of one half of one of three coequal branches of government and are fighting against people that are acting illegally across the board. It a little difficult to take on a group who won't follow the laws when they are also the group that is supposed to be creating, interpreting, and defending those very laws. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing.

As for the Democrats supposedly not being as good at messaging as the Repugs, I call bullshit on that, too. We don't have a state run station like they do in Faux News. You can have a coherent, well-developed, simply understood message but if the corporate Repug owned media won't air it it doesn't matter at all. We have the more liberal leaning side of the media doing the "both sides" thing because that is what they are ethically and professionally required to do. We have Faux News lying their fucking asses off. So, the Repugs get 75% coverage of their message (with Faux acting like Russian media whores) while we might get 25% coverage of ours which is always presented with a counterpoint, even if that counterpoint is a pile of insane Repug lies.

Jerry Nadler: If the report is heavily redacted, we'll be issuing subpoenas.

How about you issue subpoenas regardless of how redacted the report is? Isn't that the whole point?

Chris Matthews is usually right when he gets cranky about the Dems. And he's right now. The Dems should've attacked right away, not pussyfooting around and waiting for Godot to bring them the unredacted report.

*If* the report is Heavily Redacted?

He's joking, right?

as was already stated, of course Barr was communicating with the WH. Last week in the hearings he didn't answer the question which means yes but he didn't want to lie to Congress. His son-in-law in part of WH legal counsel so it'd be easy for him to communicate

R499, interviewing Trump would have been irrelevant, because Trump would lie about his motives. Actually, I assume that the circumstantial evidence of Trump's corrupt intent is probably overwhelming. Wait, we already know that it's overwhelming--we've seen much of it happen before our own eyes.

Imagine if this were Democrats pulling this shit? Rethugs would already have arrested Obama and Hillary.

If the political shoe were on the other foot and the Mueller Report was about a Democrat duped by the Russians and obstructing justice, by now the Repugs would've made sure that damn report were leaked, grand jury materials included.

The Repugs operate on the premise that it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.

And they really don't give a rat's ass if they're forgiven. And they get by with it.

And what r508 said.

and also the moderates/centrists would be firmly against said Democratic President

Hard to determine Trump's INTENT? Just listen to the interview he did with Lester Holt. He said he fired Comey to get rid of this Russia thing. It's in his own words, on camera. What fucking more do you need?

Republican lawlessness is nothing to envy.

Why didn't anyone, in any of the Congressional hearings so far, ask Barr if he ordered the Mueller investigation to wrap up?

While that interview is certainly a case study in intent to obstruct justice, R512, who knows. Perhaps Mueller made the decision that that statement in itself wasn't enough evidence to convict Trumpito absolutely beyond the shadow of a doubt.

At any rate we'll all know more tomorrow, sounds like.

I can't understand how anyone could think that statement in itself wasn't evidence. He admitted why he did it.

Don't know, R516. We'll all know more tomorrow.

We won't know anything more tomorrow, other than be greeted with just how much more Rethugs can lie and cover shit up.

R517: No, we won't.

If you lie about everything, every single day, no one believes it when you tell the truth. Maybe Mueller's conclusion was that Trump doesn't have the mental capacity to stand trial. We've all been watching Trump build his insanity defense right before our eyes.

I also don't believe this reporting about it being "lightly redacted". Sounds like more bullshit put out by Trump's team in order to try to define a reality that will very clearly be the exact opposite of what we see with our own eyes. They are gaslighting the world. When we see paragraph after paragraph redacted they'll say, "See, it's only some paragraphs, not whole pages!"

r513, yeah, I know you're right.

I suppose it's a compliment that Americans seem to hold Dems to a higher standard of lawfulness than Repugs, but still.

So the Justice Department leaks to the Washington Post that the report is"lightly redacted" and they take it and run with it as if that is the gospel. The truth is we have no idea whether it's light or heavy.We have no idea whether portions have been totally revised and re-written by Barr's people. All we know is that something called the Mueller Report, with Redactions will be released tomorrow,and before anyone has a chance to read it and form an opinion, that report will bespun and interpreted for us by people who cannot be trusted, who have proven themselves to be liars and corrupt pieces of shit.

[quote]We won't know anything more tomorrow, other than be greeted with just how much more Rethugs can lie and cover shit up.

So like most Trump supporters, you've dedicated yourself to wallow in fact-free speculation.

How terribly sad.

R523 The fact they always lie is not fact-free speculation..........

[quote]So like most Trump supporters, you've dedicated yourself to wallow in fact-free speculation. How terribly sad.

How terribly sad that you apparently aren't aware that Republicunts always lie.

Call Mueller before the committee, hell, any committee, in open session, and let's hash this little thing out. Also the IRS Commissioner.

It seems obvious that everyone has been waiting for the Report to come out before they start calling anyone in.... I'm not sure however that that is the best tactic.

Rethugs would not have waited. They would be ahead of it creating the narrative.

I wonder if redacting is a legal term. Does it mean simply cutting parts out or does it include any type of EDITING. Can Barr change words?

R527 beat me to it. Shit is going to hit the fan after the redacted report...subpoenas, indictments, leaks and possible impeachment. This pending bullshit tomorrow will make things worse for Barr/Trump - not better. Watch.

R528 He cannot change words.

[quote]Call Mueller before the committee,

At 9:30 am tomorrow. Counterpunch the AG presser.

Matthews was saying there was a kind of fatigue setting in. He was referring to the Dems not moving fast and hard to get subpoenas or take them to court. I think it's Nadler.He's old at 72, and he doesn't seem to move with a lot of energy. Now Maxine is old, too, at 81, but she has energy. In fact when you compare Nadler to Cummings and Pelosi and a few others, he just seems slower, as if he's on medication. Interesting to seem how different people age.

Republican hero still TBD

They may be afraid of overreach. I think those fears are wildly overrated in this Trumpista world. Excess is pretty much impossible right now.

Overreach? What's that?

Psychics are saying Mueller was paid off...

It's a new world. I don't mind the democrats using the same nasty tactics that the republicans use. I'm way beyond "We're better than them." This is fighting for the heart and soul of our democracy. Use a little fucking urgency and error on the side of trying to get to the bottom of this as soon as possible.

Lol I was about to make the Nunes comment but R535 was faster.

Honestly, the Dems should learn from Nunes. Jumping in and out of taxis, hiding in WH bushes under the cloak of night, - the guy is nothing if not dedicated.

A dog with a bone should be the Dem mascot.

I don't think Mueller was paid off. I do feel very frustrated with the way he has handled this investigation. I know. He was a sphinx. But I think you can take it too far. He should have held his own news conference to say that he was producing a report and here it is. But maybe he couldn't. I feel like he was very likely gagged by Barr and Rosenstein and he must have some pretty important irons in the fire to have given in to them. Of course if he had not he'd have been fired. Barr shut that investigation down, I'm sure of it. It wasn't done abruptly, but Barr probably told him to wrap it up and gave him 30 days. But Mueller is still working.He was seen going to his office two days ago.

R536 I've thought about that. But wouldn't he have to pay off all the prosecutors working with him as well? I guess if some Russian offers to put $500M in an off shore bank account that can be divided as appropriate, you get a lot of things.

I don't understand this notion that Mueller was paid off. It seemed obvious once it was reported that his Report had been submitted. Barr ended the investigation early and it shut down his ability to gather whatever other evidence he had in the works.

He hasn't said anything because he hasn't been called to say anything.

If he were bought off, they'd probably make sure he was already out there on Fox news agreeing with Barr's fake summary.

I don't buy the payoff theory. Seems desperate and silly. I do hope he gets called before a committee, again, in open session. Closed session would be bullshit for this kind of thing.

The House should just immediately issues subpoenas to Barr, Rosenstein and Mueller tomorrow after the report is out. Enough with the time wasting. I know they want to read the full report before they have the hearings but it's taking forever. It's clear that Barr is trying to outrun the clock 2020 November

I hope that if I ever break the law as badly as some of the Trump folks that I get the same high standard of proof about INTENT as Mueller has provided Trump. I guess saying on TV in front of a crowd of thousands that you want Russia to hack Hillary's emails (and then they do) and saying on TV that you fired the FBI Director because of the Russia investigation that would be enough but Mueller apparently wants written contracts between everyone.

Here's an example of a Barr redaction...

Trump is ----- guilty.

Will be interpreted as "not guilty".

Actually says "really guilty".

The 'figure out the word/sentence' game is going to be ridiculous. Let's hope the same level of people are redacting this as redacted those Manafort papers where his stupid fucking lawyers didn't properly redact the incriminating evidence.

example

Trump [s] stated on tv he wanted Comey fired because of "the Russia thing" [/s] but also sought the counsel of Rosenstein who agreed Comey had violated norms with his handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation

that is kinda the thing right there, r546. it ain't just that Trump admitted the obvious, that he fired Comey for pursuing the whole Russia thing, the idea that they concocted this whole "He was unfair to Hillary" reason is what truly brings it into the realm of obvious crazy lie. They might as well have stamped it "We don't give a fuck what we way, we just hate Comey!" That's kind of the Trump administration in a nutshell, lying and then telling big huge stupid lies to cover up the original kinda sensible lie. And that is why not just Trump but everyone who ever met Trump, ever smiled at him, ever defended him, should be shunned forever, in every social situation. Because nobody can even pretend to believe the crazy bullshit he says.

If this were a Democrat, there would have been an application for a Writ of Mandamus from the SCOTUS to produce.

I do trust Nancy Pelosi overall, but by next week, I'm gonna be in Trust But Verify mode.

New Yorker reveals that the NRA is in a dire financial state, running annual deficits of up to $40,000,000 in recent years while a small group of execs, contractors, and venders have extracted hundreds of millions the NRA's budget.

Of course he's not going to cancel.

feel good story of the year, r551, plus they are suing their own advertising agency, which also just happens to run NRATV, and has shady deals with NRA president Oliver North. It's a good thing.

[quote]The Washington Post is reporting that DOJ plans to release a "lightly redacted" version of the Mueller report. The report, sources tell WaPo, will offer a "granular look "at the ways in which Trump was suspected of having obstructed justice.

What do they consider, "redacted?" If they just omit like 540 of the pages is that considered something different than a redaction?

Ooh, R552, a stern finger-wagging! That'll teach him!

If you fuck up a pdf redaction you can read the redacted text underneath.

And these bozos have proven themselves to be the world's worst lawyers.

Just saying.

It could also be a setup to expose the corruption publicly....wouldn't it be sweet if after Barrs press conference, he leaves the dais and Mueller is waiting for him with an indictment and an arrest warrant for obstruction and aiding and abetting....

R553 lol thanks needed that laugh "feel good story of the year" is a perfect description of the NRA and their plight

[quote] wouldn't it be sweet if after Barrs press conference, he leaves the dais and Mueller is waiting for him with an indictment and an arrest warrant

Where does the Swedish Bikini Team enter in this fantasy ?

R556, they could have redacted a physical copy and scanned it into a file.

No fancy PDF layers to deal with.

Scan it to jpegs.

Didn't Nunes recently fuck up a redacted document? I doubt they'd let that happen again.

Their stupidity is a godsend. I don't believe in God, but the constant fuckups of the Trump Administration do make me wonder a little.

Yes, they fuck up all the time. Constantly. It truly shows how Goddamn stupid they are.

However, does it matter?

They continue to get away with shit. Constantly.

Did I hear well that the redacted report is going to be distributed on CD's?

I honestly no longer know who are bigger trolls, Russians or Rethugs.

One and the same, R565.

I agree with this. Why is Nadler waiting?

So whatever happened to that gung ho prosecutor at SDNY who was supposed to dine on Trump's balls?

Exactly - why are they trying so hard?

We know what they have to hide.

I think you meant, 'What happened ever."

We'll be moving in on Trump soon. Very very soon.

And by soon we mean a good 6-8 years after Trump's second term in office.

Oh look the troll is talking to itself.

Yup, it's about that time.

830AM in Central Borscht Time

Judge Amy still going easy on Roger Stone?

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BTW the new thread is up now because I assume there's going to be heavy traffic in the morning.

Still a ways to go before thread maxes out?

R578 It’s late, Dumbass. OP was nice enough to create a new one before the morning rush.

Yeah, R578 but it gets hard to navigate on mobile past like 500 posts.

Hell, we might need the next thread too. This shit will roll fast in the morning.

I thought the CD thing was a joke.

I thought the same thing too, R583! OP be ready!

Concerning this CD thing, I swear that Barr still thinks it's the 90s. Maybe that's why he thinks he can still get away with this shit. He has no idea that we know everything now within five seconds of it happening.

Barr must be like: Who knew covering up for a criminal President is so hard?

Don’t forget that Melania is a prostitution whore.

R558 But she be best whore!

R586 he believes he can get away with shit because he always has and they continue to. All Rethugs get away with shit and so are blatant about continuing to commit crimes. Look at Nunes. Did he ever get in trouble for anything? Nope.

I bet Ivanka crawled in bed with Daddy tonight to make sure he’s relaxed and ready for tomorrow, just like old days.

And it's why Dotard continues to fuck Ivanka. He's not going to get in trouble for it!

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What next, the unredacted version will be on floppy disks?

That's one way to make sure nobody can read it.

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